Gui de Baudément seigneur de Baudement, de Braine-sur-Vesle, de Quincy, de Longueville, de Nesle-en-Tardenois, de Fere-en-Tardenois et de Pontarcy1,2,3,4

M, #10171, b. circa 1100, d. 1144
FatherAndré de Baudément seigneur de Baudément et Braine, Senechal de Champagne5,3,4 b. c 1075, d. 19 Jul 1142
MotherAgnes (?) Dame de Braine6,3,4 b. c 1080
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited5 Nov 2020
     Gui de Baudément seigneur de Baudement, de Braine-sur-Vesle, de Quincy, de Longueville, de Nesle-en-Tardenois, de Fere-en-Tardenois et de Pontarcy married Alix (?) dame de Braine.2,3,4
Gui de Baudément seigneur de Baudement, de Braine-sur-Vesle, de Quincy, de Longueville, de Nesle-en-Tardenois, de Fere-en-Tardenois et de Pontarcy was born circa 1100.4
Gui de Baudément seigneur de Baudement, de Braine-sur-Vesle, de Quincy, de Longueville, de Nesle-en-Tardenois, de Fere-en-Tardenois et de Pontarcy died in 1144.3,4
     EDV-26. He was comte de Braine. Gui de Baudément seigneur de Baudement, de Braine-sur-Vesle, de Quincy, de Longueville, de Nesle-en-Tardenois, de Fere-en-Tardenois et de Pontarcy was also known as Guy de Vaudemont Comte de Braine.7

; Weis [AR7] 135-27.8

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Capet 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet4.html
  2. [S1967] J Bunot, "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005: "Le Bouteiller/Breaute (Baillon)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xdExALvLFSk/m/CqmJPHK1txMJ) to e-mail address, 27 Sept 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005."
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Baudément.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Comtes d'Eu, p. 2.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Andre de Baudement: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028296&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028297&tree=LEO
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Capet 6 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet6.html#P1
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), lin 135-27, p. 119. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S1967] J Bunot, "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 27 Sept 2005, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xdExALvLFSk/m/CqmJPHK1txMJ
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Baudément, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Baudement.pdf
  11. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes d’Eu, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Eu.pdf
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  13. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#AgnesBrainedied1217. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Adalbert III (?) Count de Longwy, Duke in Alsasgua, Duke of Upper Lotharingia1,2,3

M, #10172, b. circa 1000, d. 11 November
FatherGerhard III (?) de Alsace, Count of Metz1,3 d. 1045
MotherGisele (?) de Alsace1,3 d. 1045
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited8 Apr 2020
     Adalbert III (?) Count de Longwy, Duke in Alsasgua, Duke of Upper Lotharingia died on 11 November at near Thuin, Germany (now); killed in battle.4,5,1,3 He was born circa 1000.5
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ADALBERT [Albert] (-killed in battle near Thuin 11 Nov 1048). The Notitiæ Fundationis Monasterii Bosonis-Villæ names (in order) "Adalbertus, Gerhardus, Cuonradus, Adalbero, Beatrix, Cuono, Huoda abbatissa, Azelinus, Ida, Adeleth" as children of "Gerhardus comes [et] Gisela"[915]. Emperor Heinrich III appointed him as ADALBERT Duke of Upper Lotharingia in early 1047, after confiscating the duchy from Godefroi II "le Barbu" Duke of Upper Lotharingia. [Comte de Longwy. The Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium names "Albertum de Longui castro, quem…ducem", the text appearing to refer to the duke of Upper Lotharingia[916]. No other record has been found of Longwy being in the possession of the family of the Grafen von Metz. Szabolcs de Vajay suggests that the Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium incorrectly attributes Longwy to Duke Adalbert, confusing him with Albert [II] Graf von Dachsburg, first husband of Ermensende de Luxembourg who is later recorded as heiress of Longwy[917].] Duke Adalbert was killed fighting the forces of ex-Duke Godefroi. No indication has been found of the name of Duke Adalbert's wife, assuming that he was married at all. Szabolcs de Vajay[918] has confirmed the incorrectness of his earlier proposition that Duke Adalbert's wife was Clémence de Foix, and that the Duke was the father of Etiennette (wife of Guillaume Comte de Bourgogne) and Clémence (wife of Conrad Comte de Luxembourg). The Kalendarium Sanctæ Mariæ Virdunensis records the death "III Id Nov" of "fuit prœlium ducis Alberti"[919].
     "m ---. The name of Adalbert's wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:
[915] Notitiæ Fundationis Monasterii Bosonis-Villæ IV, MGH SS XV.2, p. 980.
[916] Laurentii Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium 2, MGH SS X, p. 492.
[917] Szabolcs de Vajay 'Parlons encore d'Etiennette', p. 4.
[918] Szabolcs de Vajay 'Parlons encore d'Etiennette', pp. 2-6.
[919] Aimond, C. 'Le nécrologe de la cathédrale de Verdun', Jahrbuch der Gesellschaft für lothringische Geschichte und Altertumskunde Year 21 (second part) (1910), Appendice Kalendarium S. Mariæ Virdunensis, p. 314.
[920] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1168, MGH SS XXIII, p. 851.3


; Per Genealogy.EU: "Adalbert III of Longwy, Duke in Alsasgau, Duke of Upper Lorraine (1047-48), *ca 1000, +k.a.nr Thuin 1048; m.Clemence de Foix"

[See Note Per Med Lands].5 GAV-26 EDV-26.

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 1 page (The House of Lorraine): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adalbert: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120315&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Adalbertdied1048. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 132-24, p. 116. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine1.html#G4
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermesinde de Longwy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020904&tree=LEO

Eirene Metochitissa1

F, #10173
Last Edited23 Jun 2020
     Eirene Metochitissa married Ioannes Komnenos Palaiologos Despot of Macedonia, son of Konstantinos Dukas Palaiologos and Eirene Raulaina, circa 1305.1,2

     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 2:183.1

Family

Ioannes Komnenos Palaiologos Despot of Macedonia b. c 1291, d. 1327
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eirene Metochitissa: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293016&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ioannes Komnenos Palaiologos: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293015&tree=LEO

Bernardo I Roger (?) Cde de Couserans, de Foix et de Bigorre1,2,3,4,5,6,7

M, #10174, b. between 980 and 981, d. 22 August 1038
FatherRoger I "le Vieux" (?) Comte de Carcassonne, de Rasez, de Couserans et de Comminges, sn de Foix8,4,6,9,10 b. c 942, d. a Apr 1011
MotherAdelaide/Adelaiis (?) de Melgueil11,4,9,10 b. c 942, d. a Apr 1011
ReferenceGAV27 EDV28
Last Edited18 Jun 2020
     Bernardo I Roger (?) Cde de Couserans, de Foix et de Bigorre was born between 980 and 981; Histoire de Comtes de Foix says Bernard died ca 1034 at the age of 72; Racines et Histoire says b "été 981"; Genealogics says d. ca 980; Med Lands says b. bef Aug 981.7,12,9,10 He married Gersinde (?) Comtesse de Bigorre, daughter of Garcia Arnaldo (?) Count of Bigorre and Ricarda (?) d'Astarac, circa 1010.3,13,4,14,7,12,9,10

Bernardo I Roger (?) Cde de Couserans, de Foix et de Bigorre died on 22 August 1038; Histoire de Comtes de Foix says Bernard died ca 1034 at the age of 72; Genealogics says d. bef 1038; Med Lands says d. 22 Aug 1036/38.3,4,7,12,9,10
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 145.9 GAV-27 EDV-28.

; This is the same person as:
”Bernard-Roger, Count of Bigorre” at Wikipedia and as
”Bernard Roger de Foix” at Wikipédia (Fr.)15,16

; Per Genealogics:
     “Bernardo Roger was born about 980, the youngest son of Roger I, comte de Carcassonne et de Rasez, and Adelais de Pons. He was the first count of Foix, from 1012 until his death. He was also count of Bigorre. On the death of his father he shared his estate with his elder brother Ramón Roger I, receiving Couserans and the part of his father's county around the town of Foix.
     “About 1010 he married Garsenda, comtesse de Bigorre, only child of Garcia Arnoldo, comte de Bigorre, and Ricarda d'Astarac. Garsenda inherited the county of Bigorre between 1025 and 1032. Bernardo Roger and Garsenda had six children of whom Pedro Bernardo, Bernardo II, Gilberga and Estefania would have progeny.
     “Bernardo Roger died between 1036 and 1038.”.13

Reference: Weis [1992:116] line 132-24.17 Bernardo I Roger (?) Cde de Couserans, de Foix et de Bigorre was also known as Bernard-Roger (?) de Carcassonne, comte de Couserans et de Carcassonne, seigneur du Pays de Foix, comte de Bigorre.12 Bernardo I Roger (?) Cde de Couserans, de Foix et de Bigorre was also known as Bernard Rodgar (?) Count of Conserans.18

; Per Genealogy.EU (Foisx): “C2. Cte Bernardo Roger de Couserans, de Foix et de Bigorre, +ca 1038; m.ca 1010 Cts Garsenda de Bigorre (+after 1038)



Per Genealogy.EU (Bigorre): “E1. Cts Garsenda de Bigorre, +after 1038; m.ca 1010 Cte Bernardo I de Carcassone (+1038)”.19,20

; Per Racines et Histoire (Foix): “Bernard-Roger de Carcassonne ° été 981 + 22/08/1036/38 (1034 ?) comte de Couserans (1012) et de Carcassonne (en partie), seigneur du Pays de Foix, comte de Bigorre par sa femme
     ép. 1010 Garsende, comtesse de Bigorre ° ~986 + 1032/34 (~1035) (fille de Garcia Arnaud, comte de Bigorre + dès 1046, et de Ricarda + après 1046)”.21

; Per Med Lands:
     "BERNARD ROGER de Carcassonne, son of ROGER [I] de Comminges Comte de Carcassonne & his wife Adelais de Pons (before Aug 981-[22 Aug 1036/38]). "Roggarius comes…cum coniuge comitissa Adalaice seu Regimundo sobole atque Bernardo sobole" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Hilaire by charter dated Aug 981[191]. "Rotgerius comes et marchio cum coniuge comitissa Adalaisse atque cum prole Regimundo Barnardoque" donated property with the abbey of Saint-Hilaire by charter dated 1 Nov 984[192]. "Rodgarius comes et uxor mea Aladaiz" donated property to the abbey of Lézat by charter dated Aug [1001], signed by "Ramundo, Bernardo, Petrone"[193]. “Rogerius comes”, under his testament dated to [1002], divided his properties, “ad Bernardo filio meo…comitatu de Cosoragno…castello de Fuxo”[194]. "Rogerius comes et conjux mea Adalaizis comitissa" donated property to Saint-Hilaire, including property which "frater meus Oddo comes habuit", for the soul of "fratris mei Oddoni comitis" and for "filio nostro Regimundo comite", by charter dated Apr 1011, signed by "…Bernardus et dominus Petrus…comites…"[195]. He succeeded in 1012 as Comte de Couserans and (part) Carcassonne, Seigneur du pays de Foix. Comte de Bigorre, by right of his wife.
     "m ([1010]) GERSENDE Ctss de Bigorre, daughter of GARCIA ARNAUD Comte de Bigorre & his wife Ricarda --- ([986]-[1032/34]). Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated 1034 under which “Rotgarius filius Garsente” paid homage to “Petrone episcopo filio Adalais”[196]. The 15th century Chronicle of Esquerrier names "dona Beatriz de Bezes" as the wife of "Mossen Bernard"[197], but this source is too late to give much credibility to its account of the early comtes de Foix. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. "
Med Lands cites:
[191] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 134, col. 293.
[192] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 137.III, col. 297.
[193] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 160, col. 340.
[194] Cros-Mayrevieille Tome I (1846), Documents, XXXV, p. 42.
[195] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 170, col. 358.
[196] Cros-Mayrevieille Tome I (1846), Documents, XXXVIII, p. 48.
[197] Esquerrier, p. 13.10


; Per Histoire de Comtes de Foix:
     "Bernard, nommé également Bernard-Roger, n'aurait pas porté le titre de Comte de Foix. Rappelons cependant que lors de la donation à l'Abbaye de Saint-Hilaire, en avril 1011, il est mentionné en la qualité de Comte. D'autre part, le pays du Couserans était alors un Comté. On doit ainsi en déduire que Bernard portait probablement le titre de Comte du Couserans.
     "Il est cependant l'auteur de la branche des Comtes de Foix.
     "On connaît très peu d'éléments sur sa personne. Il épousa du vivant de son père Arsinde (ou Garsende), héritière du Comté de Bigorre, ajoutant ainsi ces terres à ses Etats. Il favorisa la fondation de la cité de Foix autour du château dont il avait fait sa demeure. Il construisit la tour carrée, symbole de sa puissance. Mort vers 1034, âgé de 72 ans (exceptionnel pour l'époque), il fut inhumé en l'abbaye de Foix qu'il avait favorisée. Ses trois fils se partagèrent ses domaines. L'aîné, Bernard, eut le Comté de Bigorre. Au second, Roger, échut le pays de Foix comprenant, outre celui de Foix, les châteaux de Castelpenent, Roquemaure, Lordat et plusieurs autres terres dans le Toulousain. Le cadet, Pierre devint Comte du Couserans.
     "Son successeur fut son fils Roger Ier."7

; Per Med Lands:
     "GERSENDE de Bigorre ([986]-[1032/34]). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated 1034 under which “Rotgarius filius Garsente” paid homage to “Petrone episcopo filio Adalais”[181]. The 15th century Chronicle of Esquerrier names "dona Beatriz de Bezes" as the wife of "Mossen Bernard"[182], but this source is too late to give much credibility to its account of the early comtes de Foix. She succeeded her father as Ctss de Bigorre.
     "m ([1010]) BERNARD ROGER de Carcassonne, son of ROGER [I] de Comminges Comte de Carcassonne & his wife Adelaide de Pons (summer 981-[22 Aug 1036/38]). He succeeded in 1012 as Comte de Couserans and (part) Carcassonne, Seigneur du pays de Foix. Comte de Bigorre, by right of his wife."
Med Lands cites:
[181] Cros-Mayrevieille (1846), Tome I, Documents, XXXVIII, p. 48.
[182] Esquerrier, p. 13.22
He was Comte de Foix between 1012 and 1034.16 He was Comte de Couserans between 1012 and 1034.16 He was Count of Bigorre between 1030 and 1034.1,15

Citations

  1. [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 45: Aragon and Castile: Early Kings. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Iberia 8 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/iberia/iberia8.html
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bigorre page (Counts of Bigorre, Ribagorza and Pailhars): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/spain/bigorre.html
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Foix 1 page (The House of Foix): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/foix/foix1.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bernardo Roger: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120336&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S1563] Histoire de Comtes de Foix, online http://www.foixstory.com/, Chart: http://www.foixstory.com/data/genealogiq/foix/foix1/fxa1.htm. Hereinafter cited as Histoire de Comtes de Foix.
  7. [S1563] Histoire de Comtes de Foix, online http://www.foixstory.com/, Bernard de Foix: http://www.foixstory.com/data/comtes/01.htm
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roger I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120334&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bernardo Roger: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120336&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/toulcofo.htm#BernardRogerCouseransFoixdied1038B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelais de Pons: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120335&tree=LEO
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Foix: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Foix.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  13. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Iberia 8 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/iberia/iberia8.html
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Garsenda: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120337&tree=LEO
  15. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard-Roger,_Count_of_Bigorre. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  16. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Bernard Roger de Foix: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Roger_de_Foix. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  17. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 132-24, p. 116. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  18. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44244
  19. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The House of Foix (Foix 1): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/foix/foix1.html
  20. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Counts of Bigorre, Ribagorza and Pailhars: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/spain/bigorre.html#GG
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  24. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilberga (Hermesenda) de Couserans: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00093519&tree=LEO
  25. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pedro Bernardo: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120349&tree=LEO
  26. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Estefania de Foix: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038836&tree=LEO
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Marguerite de Turenne1,2,3

F, #10175, b. between 1120 and 1130, d. after 1201
FatherRaymond I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne1,4,5,6,7,8 b. c 1074, d. c 1122
MotherMahaut (Maude) du Perche1,4,3,5,9,8 b. b 1100, d. 28 May 1143
ReferenceGAV22 EDV22
Last Edited4 Sep 2020
     Marguerite de Turenne was born between 1120 and 1130.3 She married Adémar IV de Comborn Vicomte de Limoges, son of Archambaud IV "le Barbu" (?) Vcte de Comborn and Humberge "Brunissent" (?) de Limoges,
;
Her 1st husband.4,3,5,10,11 Marguerite de Turenne married Ebles III de Ventadour Vicomte de Ventadour, son of Ebles II 'le Chanteur' (?) Vicomte de Ventadour and Agnes (?) de Montlucon,
;
His 1st wife; her 2nd husband; divorced.4,3,5,12,13 Marguerite de Turenne and Ebles III de Ventadour Vicomte de Ventadour were divorced before 1150.3,5,12 Marguerite de Turenne married Guillaume VI Taillefer (?) Comte d'Angoulême, son of Vulgrin II (?) Comte d'Angouleme and Ponce de Montgomery de La Marche, between 1150 and 1151
;
His 2nd wife.1,4,14,5,15,16
Marguerite de Turenne died after 1201; Racines et Histoire says d. 1148.3,5
     GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-24.

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales Edinburgh, 1977., Gerald Paget, Reference: 65.5 Marguerite de Turenne was also known as Maria de Ventadorn.17

; Per Med Lands:
     "MARGUERITE de Turenne (-21 Oct [1186/1202]). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "Margarita sorore Bosonis de Torenna" as wife of "Brunicendis filius Ademarus"[1475]. Her parentage and first marriage are confirmed by the cartulary of Tulle St Martin which records a donation by "Ademarus vicecomes Lemovicensis et Aimericus de Gordo mariti duarum sororum Bosonis, Mangnæ et Margaritæ" dated 21 Dec 1143 made "pro anima Bosonis vicecomitis de Torenna qui gladio corruit" on the day of his burial, authorised by "Ebolus vicecomes de Ventedorn et Archambaldus vicecomes de Comborn", and made "in manu domni Ebali abbatis Tutellensis patrui ipsius Bosonis"[1476]. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Ademaro vicecomite Lemovicensi, sponsam illius Margaretam, sororem Bosonis de Torenna" married "Ebolus Ventadorensis, filius Eboli Cantatoria" after her first husband died, but that the marriage ended after two years because of their consanguinity[1477]. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Ademaro vicecomite Lemovicensi, sponsam illius Margaretam, sororem Bosonis de Torenna" married thirdly "Guillermus Sector-ferri Comes Engolismensis, multorum pater liberorum"[1478]. "Vuillelmus Talafers comes Engolismensis Vulgrini filius et Margarita uxor mea et filii nostri Vulgrinus scilicet primogenitus noster, Vuillelmus Talafers, Ademarus, Grisetus, Fulco et Almodis filia nostra uxor Amanei de Lebret" transferred rights to Saint-Amant-de-Boixe by charter dated 1171[1479]. The necrology of Saint-Martial records the death “XII Kal Nov” of “Margarita Engolismensis comitissa, mater Ademari vicecomitis” and her donation[1480].
     "m firstly ADEMAR [IV] Vicomte de Limoges, son of ARCHAMBAUD [IV] "le Barbu" Vicomte de Comborn & his wife Humberge [Brunissent] de Limoges (-1148).
     "m secondly (1148 or after, divorced [1150/51]) as his first wife, EBLES [III] Vicomte de Ventadour, son of EBLES [II] Vicomte de Ventadour & his wife Agnes de Montluçon (-1170, bur Montecassino).
     "m thirdly ([1150/51]) as his second wife, GUILLAUME VI "Taillefer" Comte d'Angoulême, son of VULGRIN II Comte d'Angoulême & his first wife Pontia de La Marche (-Messina 7 Aug 1179, bur Messina)."
Med Lands cites:
[1475] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 41, RHGF XII, p. 426.
[1476] Tulle Saint-Martin 490, p. 261.
[1477] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 438.
[1478] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 438.
[1479] Saint-Amand-de-Boixe 302, p. 270.
[1480] Documents historiques Limousin bas-Latins (1883), Tome I, Obituaire de Saint-Marciale, p. 77.18


; Per Genealogy.EU (Toulouse 2): “D3. Marguerite; 1m: Vcte Ademar IV de Limoges (+1148); 2m: Vcte Ebles III de Ventadour (+1170); 3m: Guillaume VI Taillefer, Cte d'Angouleme (+1179)”.19

; Per Racines et Histoire (Turenne): “Marguerite de Turenne + un 21/10 après 1186 ?
     ép. 1) ~1140 Aymar IV, vicomte de Limoges (Comborn) + 1148 (fils d’Archambaud IV «Le Barbu», vicomte de Comborn, et d’Humberge/Brunissent de Limoges
     ép. 2) 1148 ou peu après (sép. 1150/51 pour cause de parenté) Ebles III, vicomte de Ventadour + 1170 (Monte Cassino) (fils d’Ebles II et d’Agnès de Montluçon)
     ép. 3) ~1150/51 Guillaume VI «Taillefer», comte d’Angoulême (1140), croisé (1147) ° ~1115 + 07/08/1179 (Messina, Sicile en route pour Jérusalem) (fils de Vulgrin II, comte d’Angoulême, et de Pontia de La Marche ; veuf d’Emma de Limoges) ”.20

; Per Genealogy.EU (Toulouse 2): “D2. Vcte Ebles III de Ventadour, +1170; 1m: Marguerite de Turenne; 2m: 1151 Adelais de Montpellier”.19

; Per Med Lands:
     "EBLES [III] de Ventadour, son of EBLES [II] Vicomte de Ventadour & his wife Agnes de Montluçon (-1170, bur Montecassino). A charter dated 1147 records a donation to Uzerche with the consent of "Eblone vicecomite, uxore eius Agne et filiis suis Arcambaldo, Eblone, Aimone…"[1865]. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "Ebolum" as son of "Ebolus" who "appreciated songs of joy until old age" and his wife "Agne filia Guillelmi de Montlusson Arverniæ castro", adding that he was buried "apud castrum Cassinum" after dying on the return journey from Jerusalem[1866]. Vicomte de Ventadour. "Ebolus" names "uxori meæ Agne" in his charter dated to [1165/1170][1867], but the dating assessment must be incorrect or the charter must not refer to Ebles [III] Vicomte de Ventadour.
     "m firstly (1148 or after, divorced [1150/51]) as her second husband, MARGUERITE de Turenne, widow of ADEMAR [IV] Vicomte de Limoges, daughter of RAYMOND [I] Vicomte de Turenne & his wife Mathilde du Perche (-21 Oct [1186/1202]). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Ademaro vicecomite Lemovicensi, sponsam illius Margaretam, sororem Bosonis de Torenna" married "Ebolus Ventadorensis, filius Eboli Cantatoria" after her first husband died, but that the marriage ended after two years because of their consanguinity[1868]. Her parentage and first marriage are confirmed by the cartulary of Tulle St Martin which records a donation by "Ademarus vicecomes Lemovicensis et Aimericus de Gordo mariti duarum sororum Bosonis, Mangnæ et Margaritæ" dated 21 Dec 1143 made "pro anima Bosonis vicecomitis de Torenna qui gladio corruit" on the day of his burial, authorised by "Ebolus vicecomes de Ventedorn et Archambaldus vicecomes de Comborn", and made "in manu domni Ebali abbatis Tutellensis patrui ipsius Bosonis"[1869]. She married thirdly ([1150/51]) as his second wife, Guillaume VI "Taillefer" Comte d'Angoulême. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Ademaro vicecomite Lemovicensi, sponsam illius Margaretam, sororem Bosonis de Torenna" married thirdly "Guillermus Sector-ferri Comes Engolismensis, multorum pater liberorum"[1870]. "Vuillelmus Talafers comes Engolismensis Vulgrini filius et Margarita uxor mea et filii nostri Vulgrinus scilicet primogenitus noster, Vuillelmus Talafers, Ademarus, Grisetus, Fulco et Almodis filia nostra uxor Amanei de Lebret" transferred rights to Saint-Amant-de-Boixe by charter dated 1171[1871]. The necrology of Saint-Martial records the death “XII Kal Nov” of “Margarita Engolismensis comitissa, mater Ademari vicecomitis” and her donation[1872].
     "m secondly ([1151]) ADELAIS de Montpellier, daughter of GUILLAUME [VI] Seigneur de Montpellier & his wife Sibila [del Vasto] (-1174 or after). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "filia Guillelmi de Montepislerio…Alaiz" as wife of "Ebolus" who was buried "apud castrum Cassinum" after dying on the return journey from Jerusalem[1873]. "Ebolus vicecomes Ventedornensis" granted exemptions from taxes to Notre-Dame de Dalon by charter dated 1174, witnessed by "Raimundus frater meus Lemovicensis canonicus…Aimo patruus meus…Alaiz mater mea…"[1874]."
Med Lands cites:
[1865] Uzerche, 4 bis and 954, pp. 52 and 375.
[1866] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 24, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[1867] Beaulieu, XXX, p. 42.
[1868] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 438.
[1869] Tulle Saint-Martin 490, p. 261.
[1870] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 438.
[1871] Saint-Amand-de-Boixe 302, p. 270.
[1872] Documents historiques Limousin bas-Latins (1883), Tome I, Obituaire de Saint-Marciale, p. 77.
[1873] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 24, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[1874] Dalon Notre-Dame 742, p. 181.13


; Per Genealogy.EU (Toulouse 2): “D2. Ademar IV Vcte de Limoges, +1148; m.Marguerite de Turenne”.19

; Per Med Lands:
     "ADEMAR [IV] de Comborn, son of ARCHAMBAUD [IV] "le Barbu" Vicomte de Comborn & his wife Humberge [Brunissent] de Limoges (-Limoges 1148, bur Limoges Saint-Martial). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "Vicecomes Lemovicensis…Ademarus, alter Combornensis…Archambaldus" as children of "Archambaldus" and his wife "filia Ademari Vicecomitis Lemovicensis…Humberga, vulgo Brunicenda nominatur", a later passage recording an expanded list of the couple's children "Ademarum, Guidonem, Archambaldum, Petrum Assaillit, Heliam, Bernardum decanum de S. Aredio, Mariam abbatissam S. Mariæ de Regula, Beatricem…Almodis…Milicendis primogenita…Helena"[793]. His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated to [1138/48] in which "vicecomitibus Ademaro…et Guidone fratre eius" confirmed the donation of property in "mansi Comborn" to Notre-Dame de Dalon by "Petrus de Montlavini" by charter dated to [1138/48], witnessed by "Ademarus vicecomes et Archembaldus pater eius"[794]. Vicomte de Limoges. "Guido et Ademarus fratres vicecomites Lemovicenses" confirmed donations of property by "Ademarus vicecomes Lemovicensis avus noster" to Notre-Dame de Dalon by charter dated to [1139/48][795]. Louis VII King of France confirmed him in 1141 as Duke of Aquitaine. "Ademarus vicecomes et…Guido vicecomes" confirmed the donation of "ecclesiam sancti Ylarii de Celom" to Uzerche, for the soul of "antecessoris nostri Ademari vicecomitis", by charter dated 28 Oct 1146[796]. "Ademarus Lemovicensis vicecomes, nepos…Ademari vicecomitis" donated revenue from "ecclesiæ parrochiæ de Celom" to Uzerche by charter dated Aug 1147, signed by "Elias de Bordella filius meus, Siguinus de Turribus…"[797]. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records the death in Limoges of "Ademarus" (in the same year as his brother Guy), and his burial "iuxta cæteros vicecomites"[798].
     "m as her first husband, MARGUERITE de Turenne, daughter of RAYMOND [I] Vicomte de Turenne & his wife Mathilde du Perche (-21 Oct [1186/1202]). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "Margarita sorore Bosonis de Torenna" as wife of "Brunicendis filius Ademarus"[799]. Her parentage and first marriage are confirmed by the cartulary of Tulle St Martin which records a donation by "Ademarus vicecomes Lemovicensis et Aimericus de Gordo mariti duarum sororum Bosonis, Mangnæ et Margaritæ" dated 21 Dec 1143 made "pro anima Bosonis vicecomitis de Torenna qui gladio corruit" on the day of his burial, authorised by "Ebolus vicecomes de Ventedorn et Archambaldus vicecomes de Comborn", and made "in manu domni Ebali abbatis Tutellensis patrui ipsius Bosonis"[800]. She married secondly (1148 or after, divorced [1150/51]) as his first wife, Ebles [III] Vicomte de Ventadour, and thirdly ([1150/51]) as his second wife, Guillaume VI "Taillefer" Comte d'Angoulême. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Ademaro vicecomite Lemovicensi, sponsam illius Margaretam, sororem Bosonis de Torenna" married "Ebolus Ventadorensis, filius Eboli Cantatoria" after her first husband died, but that the marriage ended after two years because of their consanguinity[801]. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Ademaro vicecomite Lemovicensi, sponsam illius Margaretam, sororem Bosonis de Torenna" married thirdly "Guillermus Sector-ferri Comes Engolismensis, multorum pater liberorum"[802]. "Vuillelmus Talafers comes Engolismensis Vulgrini filius et Margarita uxor mea et filii nostri Vulgrinus scilicet primogenitus noster, Vuillelmus Talafers, Ademarus, Grisetus, Fulco et Almodis filia nostra uxor Amanei de Lebret" transferred rights to Saint-Amant-de-Boixe by charter dated 1171[803]. The necrology of Saint-Martial records the death “XII Kal Nov” of “Margarita Engolismensis comitissa, mater Ademari vicecomitis” and her donation[804]."
Med Lands cites:
[793] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 25 and 41, RHGF XII, pp. 425 and 426.
[794] Dalon Notre-Dame 1062, p. 248.
[795] Dalon Notre-Dame 95, p. 49.
[796] Uzerche, 76, p. 117.
[797] Uzerche, 187, p. 168.
[798] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 437.
[799] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 41, RHGF XII, p. 426.
[800] Tulle Saint-Martin 490, p. 261.
[801] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 438.
[802] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 438.
[803] Debord, A. (ed.) (1982) Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Amand-de-Boixe (Poitiers) ("Saint-Amand-de-Boixe") 302, p. 270.11

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Raymond I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne1,2

M, #10176, b. circa 1074, d. circa 1122
FatherBoson I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne2,3,4,5,6 d. 1092
MotherGerberge de Terrasson Vicomtesse de Turenne2,3,4,7 b. c 1055, d. 1103
ReferenceGAV23 EDV23
Last Edited25 Jun 2020
     Raymond I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne was born circa 1074.8 He married Mahaut (Maude) du Perche, daughter of Geoffroy II du Perche Comte du Perche et Mortagne, Seigneur de Mortagne et de Nogent and Beatrice/Beatrix de Montdidier,
;
Her 1st husband.9,2,3,4,10,11
Raymond I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne died circa 1122; Weis says d. ca 1122; Med Lands says d. aft 1120.9,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 766.3

; This is the same person as ”Raymond Ier de Turenne” at Wikipédia (Fr.)8 GAV-23 EDV-23 GKJ-25.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Turenne): “2) Raymond 1er de Turenne + ~1121 (ou après 1124 ?) vicomte de Turenne (1091), croisé dans l’armée de Raymond de Saint-Gilles (1096 ; prend Tortose en 1097 ; X au siège de Jérusalem 1099) (cité dans les chartes de 1091, 1092, 1120, 24/09/1113/22)
     ép. dès 1091 Mahaut (Mathilde) du Perche ° avant 1100 + 27-28/05/1143 (ou après 1156 ?) (inh. à Arnac) (fille de Geoffroi II de Châteaudun-Mortagne & Perche et de Béatrix de Ramerupt-Roucy ; ép. 2)1130/31 Gui «Le Gros», co-seigneur de Lastours)”.12

; Per Med Lands:
     "RAYMOND de Turenne (-after [1120]). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "Raymundum et Archambaldum de Ribeyrac et Ebolum Abbatem Tutelensem" as sons of "Boso"[1459]. Vicomte de Turenne. The cartulary of Tulle St Martin records a donation by "Boso vicecomes Torenensis castri et uxor mea Guirberga…filium nostrum Ebalum" dated 1091 which also names "filiis nostris Raymondo et Archambaldo"[1460]. The cartulary of Tulle St Martin records a donation by "Raymundus vicecomes filius Bosonis et mater eius" dated 1092[1461]. Orderic Vitalis records that "R. Piletus et Raimondus uicecomes", from the army of Raymond de Saint-Gilles, were among those captured Tortosa in 1097[1462] and, in a later passage, that "Raimundus Piletus et Raimundus de Taurina" were present at the siege of Jerusalem[1463]. Tuebœuf names "Raimundus vicecomes de Torena" among those present with Raymond "de Saint-Gilles" Comte de Toulouse in 1098[1464]. "Arcambaudus vicecomes" donated property to Saint-Etienne de Baigne by charter dated to [1109/21] which names "Raimundus frater Arcambaudi"[1465]. "Raimundus vicecomes de Torenna" donated property "in parochia Sancti Pantaleonis de Rot" to Uzerche, for the soul "patris mei Bosonis et avi mei Guillelmi", by charter dated to [1120][1466]. "Raimundus de Torenna vicecomes" confirmed the donation to Uzerche by "Bosonis patris sui, Archambaldi et Bernardi vicecomitum" by charter dated 24 Sep [1113/22][1467]. A charter dated 1178 records that “coms Willelmes d’Alvergne” granted property “à sain Ceré” to “vescomte Raymun de Torena”, recites the later history of the property, and names “...Giralz, que ero fraire al vescomte Ramund...” among those present at a related transaction[1468]. As Vicomte Raymond [II] (vicomte in 1178) had no legitimate brothers (see below), it is likely that this document relates to Raymond [I]. If that is correct, the grantor was Guillaume [VI] Comte d’Auvergne.
     "m as her first husband, MATHILDE du Perche, daughter of GEOFFROY Comte du Perche & his wife Beatrix de Ramerupt [Roucy] (before 1100-27 May 1143, bur Arnac). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records the marriage of "Guidonem", son of "Gerardus", and "Matilde, matre Bosonis de Torena quæ Arnaco condita est"[1469]. In another passage, the Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Raymundus" married "Mathilde…soror Comitis de Pertico"[1470]. She married secondly Guy "le Gros" de Lastours. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records the death "V Kal Jun" of "Mathildis uxor quondam Raymundi de Torenna" and her burial by "Guidone…Crassus viro suo filio Geraldi de Turribus" at "Arnaco", recording that her son Boson was killed within one month of his mother's death[1471]. The necrology of Saint-Martial records the death “IV Kal Jun” of “Matheldis vicecomitissa”[1472]. It is not certain that this entry relates to Mathilde du Perche Vicomtesse de Turenne, but no other vicomtesse of this name has yet been identified in the Limousin area."
Med Lands cites:
[1459] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 23, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[1460] Tulle Saint-Martin 498, p. 265.
[1461] Tulle Saint-Martin 499, p. 266.
[1462] Chibnall, M. (ed. and trans.) (1969) The Ecclesiastical History of Orderic Vitalis (Oxford Clarendon Press), Vol. V, Book IX, p. 147.
[1463] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. V, Book IX, p. 159.
[1464] Petri Tudebodi seu Tudebovis Historia de Hierosolymitano Itinere, RHC, Historiens occidentaux, III (Paris, 1866) ("Tudebodus"), Thema VIII, I, p. 50.
[1465] Cholet, l'abbé (ed.) (1868) Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Etienne de Baigne (en Saintonge) (Niort) ("Baigne Saint-Etienne") LXX, p. 43.
[1466] Uzerche, 265, p. 185.
[1467] Uzerche, 528, p. 283.
[1468] Justel (1645) (Turenne), Preuves, p. 35.
[1469] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis 6, RHGF XII, p. 422.
[1470] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 23, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[1471] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 51, RHGF XII, p. 436.
[1472] Documents historiques Limousin bas-Latins (1883), Tome I, Obituaire de Saint-Marciale, p. 72.4


; Per Genealogy.EU (): “C2. Vcte Raimund I de Turenne; m.Mahaut, dau.of Geoffroy, Cte du Perche”.2

; Per Racines et Histoire (Perche): “Mahaut (Mathilde) du Perche + 28/05/1143 (ou après 1156 ?)
     ép.1) dès 1091 Raymon(d) 1er, vicomte de Turenne (19) + après 1124 croisé 1096 (fils de Boson 1er, vicomte de Turenne, et de Gerberge)
     ép.2) ~1130/31 Gui «Le Gros», co-seigneur de Lastours (RilhacLastours, 87) 1er baron du Limousin + 1148 (Jérusalem, croisé) (fils de Géraud et d’Humberge de Pierre-Buffière)”.13

; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE du Perche (before 1100-27 May 1143, bur Arnaco). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records the marriage of "Guidonem", son of "Gerardus", and "Matilde, matre Bosonis de Torena quæ Arnaco condita est"[2100]. In another passage, the Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Raymundus" married "Mathilde…soror Comitis de Pertico"[2101]. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records the death "V Kal Jun" of "Mathildis uxor quondam Raymundi de Torenna" and her burial by "Guidone…Crassus viro suo filio Geraldi de Turribus" at "Arnaco", recording that her son Boson was killed within one month of his mother's death[2102]. The necrology of Saint-Martial records the death “IV Kal Jun” of “Matheldis vicecomitissa”[2103]. It is not certain that this entry relates to Mathilde du Perche Vicomtesse de Turenne, but no other vicomtesse of this name has yet been identified in the Limousin area.
     "m firstly RAYMOND [I] Vicomte de Turenne, son of BOSON [I] Vicomte de Turenne & his wife Gerberge ---. 1127.
     "m secondly GUY [IV] "le Gros" de Lastours, son of GERARD [I] de Lastours & his wife Humberga --- (-Jerusalem [1147/49])."
Med Lands cites:
[2100] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, RHGF XII, p. 422.
[2101] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 23, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[2102] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 51, RHGF XII, p. 436.
[2103] Documents historiques Limousin bas-Latins (1883), Tome I, Obituaire de Saint-Marciale, p. 72.11
He was living in 1092.3 He was Per Racines et Histoire (Turenne): "croisé dans l’armée de Raymond de Saint-Gilles (1096 ; prend Tortose en 1097 ; X au siège de Jérusalem 1099)"


From A Database of Crusaders:
Raymond unknown of Turenne
Country and Region of Origin     France, Limousin (RE) Corrèze (D)
Specific Title     Viscount of Turenne
Role     Viscount (lay)?
Gender and Marital Statusa     Male
Family     brother-in-Law: Rotrou of Perche
Crusades
Expedition     1st Crusade (1096-1099)?
Contingent Leader     Raymond of Saint-Gilles?
Probability of Participation     Certain
Actions     Raymond's predecessor Boso I of Turenne went on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land in 1091.
Sources     Cartulaires des abbayes de Tulle et de Roc-Amadour, ed. J. Champeval (Brive, 1903), pp. 276-277, 416, 418. GF, pp. 83-84, 87-88. PT, pp. 78, 129, 134-135. RR, pp. 854, 863-865. OV, vol. 5, pp. 146, 158. HP, pp. 193, 206, 210. 'Notitiae duae Lemovicenses de praedicatione crucis in Aquitania', RHC OC, vol. 5, p. 351. between 1096 and 1099.3,14 He was Vicomte de Turenne
Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "1103-ap 1122 : Raymond Ier de Turenne (°v. 1074-ap. 1122) 7e vicomte de Turenne, épouse v.1105 Mathilde de Mortagne" between 1103 and 1122 at Turenne, Departement de Corrèze, Nouvelle Aquitaine, France (now).15

Family

Mahaut (Maude) du Perche b. b 1100, d. 28 May 1143
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raymond I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139550&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul2.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raymond I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139550&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LIMOUSIN.htm#RaymondITurenne. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Boson I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139552&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LIMOUSIN.htm#BosonTurennedied1091B
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberge: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139553&tree=LEO
  8. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Raymond Ier de Turenne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Ier_de_Turenne. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 153-25, p. 134. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut du Perche: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020636&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#MathildePercheM1RaymondITurenne
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Turenne, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Turenne.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  13. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes du Perche & Comtes de Mortagne, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Perche.pdf
  14. [S4754] A Database of Crusaders to the Holy Land | 1095 - 1149, online <https://www.dhi.ac.uk/crusaders/>, https://www.dhi.ac.uk/crusaders/person/?id=614. Hereinafter cited as Crusaders to the Holy Land 1095-1149.
  15. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des vicomtes de Turenne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_vicomtes_de_Turenne
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Boson II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196998&tree=LEO
  17. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 153-26, p. 134.
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Turenne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033523&tree=LEO
  19. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes d’ Angoulême, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Angouleme.pdf

Mahaut (Maude) du Perche1,2

F, #10177, b. before 1100, d. 28 May 1143
FatherGeoffroy II du Perche Comte du Perche et Mortagne, Seigneur de Mortagne et de Nogent3,4 b. c 1050, d. Oct 1100
MotherBeatrice/Beatrix de Montdidier3,4
ReferenceGAV23 EDV23
Last Edited25 Jun 2020
     Mahaut (Maude) du Perche was born before 1100.4 She married Raymond I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne, son of Boson I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne and Gerberge de Terrasson Vicomtesse de Turenne,
;
Her 1st husband.5,1,6,7,3,4 Mahaut (Maude) du Perche married Gui IV 'le Gros' de Lastours co-seigneur de Lastours after 1127
;
Her 2nd husband; her 1st husband d. ca 1127.3,4,8
Mahaut (Maude) du Perche died on 28 May 1143.5,3,4
Mahaut (Maude) du Perche was buried after 28 May 1143 at Arnaco .4
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "RAYMOND de Turenne (-after [1120]). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "Raymundum et Archambaldum de Ribeyrac et Ebolum Abbatem Tutelensem" as sons of "Boso"[1459]. Vicomte de Turenne. The cartulary of Tulle St Martin records a donation by "Boso vicecomes Torenensis castri et uxor mea Guirberga…filium nostrum Ebalum" dated 1091 which also names "filiis nostris Raymondo et Archambaldo"[1460]. The cartulary of Tulle St Martin records a donation by "Raymundus vicecomes filius Bosonis et mater eius" dated 1092[1461]. Orderic Vitalis records that "R. Piletus et Raimondus uicecomes", from the army of Raymond de Saint-Gilles, were among those captured Tortosa in 1097[1462] and, in a later passage, that "Raimundus Piletus et Raimundus de Taurina" were present at the siege of Jerusalem[1463]. Tuebœuf names "Raimundus vicecomes de Torena" among those present with Raymond "de Saint-Gilles" Comte de Toulouse in 1098[1464]. "Arcambaudus vicecomes" donated property to Saint-Etienne de Baigne by charter dated to [1109/21] which names "Raimundus frater Arcambaudi"[1465]. "Raimundus vicecomes de Torenna" donated property "in parochia Sancti Pantaleonis de Rot" to Uzerche, for the soul "patris mei Bosonis et avi mei Guillelmi", by charter dated to [1120][1466]. "Raimundus de Torenna vicecomes" confirmed the donation to Uzerche by "Bosonis patris sui, Archambaldi et Bernardi vicecomitum" by charter dated 24 Sep [1113/22][1467]. A charter dated 1178 records that “coms Willelmes d’Alvergne” granted property “à sain Ceré” to “vescomte Raymun de Torena”, recites the later history of the property, and names “...Giralz, que ero fraire al vescomte Ramund...” among those present at a related transaction[1468]. As Vicomte Raymond [II] (vicomte in 1178) had no legitimate brothers (see below), it is likely that this document relates to Raymond [I]. If that is correct, the grantor was Guillaume [VI] Comte d’Auvergne.
     "m as her first husband, MATHILDE du Perche, daughter of GEOFFROY Comte du Perche & his wife Beatrix de Ramerupt [Roucy] (before 1100-27 May 1143, bur Arnac). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records the marriage of "Guidonem", son of "Gerardus", and "Matilde, matre Bosonis de Torena quæ Arnaco condita est"[1469]. In another passage, the Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Raymundus" married "Mathilde…soror Comitis de Pertico"[1470]. She married secondly Guy "le Gros" de Lastours. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records the death "V Kal Jun" of "Mathildis uxor quondam Raymundi de Torenna" and her burial by "Guidone…Crassus viro suo filio Geraldi de Turribus" at "Arnaco", recording that her son Boson was killed within one month of his mother's death[1471]. The necrology of Saint-Martial records the death “IV Kal Jun” of “Matheldis vicecomitissa”[1472]. It is not certain that this entry relates to Mathilde du Perche Vicomtesse de Turenne, but no other vicomtesse of this name has yet been identified in the Limousin area."
Med Lands cites:
[1459] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 23, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[1460] Tulle Saint-Martin 498, p. 265.
[1461] Tulle Saint-Martin 499, p. 266.
[1462] Chibnall, M. (ed. and trans.) (1969) The Ecclesiastical History of Orderic Vitalis (Oxford Clarendon Press), Vol. V, Book IX, p. 147.
[1463] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. V, Book IX, p. 159.
[1464] Petri Tudebodi seu Tudebovis Historia de Hierosolymitano Itinere, RHC, Historiens occidentaux, III (Paris, 1866) ("Tudebodus"), Thema VIII, I, p. 50.
[1465] Cholet, l'abbé (ed.) (1868) Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Etienne de Baigne (en Saintonge) (Niort) ("Baigne Saint-Etienne") LXX, p. 43.
[1466] Uzerche, 265, p. 185.
[1467] Uzerche, 528, p. 283.
[1468] Justel (1645) (Turenne), Preuves, p. 35.
[1469] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis 6, RHGF XII, p. 422.
[1470] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 23, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[1471] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 51, RHGF XII, p. 436.
[1472] Documents historiques Limousin bas-Latins (1883), Tome I, Obituaire de Saint-Marciale, p. 72.7


; Per Genealogy.EU (): “C2. Vcte Raimund I de Turenne; m.Mahaut, dau.of Geoffroy, Cte du Perche”.1

; Per Racines et Histoire (Turenne): “2) Raymond 1er de Turenne + ~1121 (ou après 1124 ?) vicomte de Turenne (1091), croisé dans l’armée de Raymond de Saint-Gilles (1096 ; prend Tortose en 1097 ; X au siège de Jérusalem 1099) (cité dans les chartes de 1091, 1092, 1120, 24/09/1113/22)
     ép. dès 1091 Mahaut (Mathilde) du Perche ° avant 1100 + 27-28/05/1143 (ou après 1156 ?) (inh. à Arnac) (fille de Geoffroi II de Châteaudun-Mortagne & Perche et de Béatrix de Ramerupt-Roucy ; ép. 2)1130/31 Gui «Le Gros», co-seigneur de Lastours)”.9 GAV-23 EDV-23 GKJ-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales Edinburgh, 1977., Gerald Paget, Reference: 65.3

; Per Racines et Histoire (Perche): “Mahaut (Mathilde) du Perche + 28/05/1143 (ou après 1156 ?)
     ép.1) dès 1091 Raymon(d) 1er, vicomte de Turenne (19) + après 1124 croisé 1096 (fils de Boson 1er, vicomte de Turenne, et de Gerberge)
     ép.2) ~1130/31 Gui «Le Gros», co-seigneur de Lastours (RilhacLastours, 87) 1er baron du Limousin + 1148 (Jérusalem, croisé) (fils de Géraud et d’Humberge de Pierre-Buffière)”.10

; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE du Perche (before 1100-27 May 1143, bur Arnaco). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records the marriage of "Guidonem", son of "Gerardus", and "Matilde, matre Bosonis de Torena quæ Arnaco condita est"[2100]. In another passage, the Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Raymundus" married "Mathilde…soror Comitis de Pertico"[2101]. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records the death "V Kal Jun" of "Mathildis uxor quondam Raymundi de Torenna" and her burial by "Guidone…Crassus viro suo filio Geraldi de Turribus" at "Arnaco", recording that her son Boson was killed within one month of his mother's death[2102]. The necrology of Saint-Martial records the death “IV Kal Jun” of “Matheldis vicecomitissa”[2103]. It is not certain that this entry relates to Mathilde du Perche Vicomtesse de Turenne, but no other vicomtesse of this name has yet been identified in the Limousin area.
     "m firstly RAYMOND [I] Vicomte de Turenne, son of BOSON [I] Vicomte de Turenne & his wife Gerberge ---. 1127.
     "m secondly GUY [IV] "le Gros" de Lastours, son of GERARD [I] de Lastours & his wife Humberga --- (-Jerusalem [1147/49])."
Med Lands cites:
[2100] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, RHGF XII, p. 422.
[2101] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 23, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[2102] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 51, RHGF XII, p. 436.
[2103] Documents historiques Limousin bas-Latins (1883), Tome I, Obituaire de Saint-Marciale, p. 72.4

Family 1

Raymond I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne b. c 1074, d. c 1122
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul2.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut du Perche: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020636&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut du Perche: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020636&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#MathildePercheM1RaymondITurenne. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 153-25, p. 134. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raymond I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139550&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LIMOUSIN.htm#RaymondITurenne
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gui de Lastours: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139551&tree=LEO
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Turenne, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Turenne.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes du Perche & Comtes de Mortagne, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Perche.pdf
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Boson II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196998&tree=LEO
  12. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 153-26, p. 134.
  13. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Angouleme.pdf, p.5.
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Turenne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033523&tree=LEO

Boson I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne1

M, #10178, d. 1092
FatherGuillaume de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne1,2,3,4,5,6 b. 995, d. 1037
MotherMatilde (?)1
ReferenceGAV24 EDV24
Last Edited25 Jun 2020
     Boson I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne married Contors («Comptores») de Terrasson
;
His 2nd wife.3 Boson I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne married Gerberge de Terrasson Vicomtesse de Turenne, daughter of Bernard de Terrasson comtor de Terrasson and Pétronille de la Rivière, before 1074
;
His 2nd wife. Genealogy.EU (Turenne) says m. bef 1074; Med Lands says m. aft 1074.1,2,7,3,8
Boson I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne died in 1092 at Jerusalem, Yerushalayim (Jerusalem District), Palestine (Israel now); Died on a pilgrimage.1,2
     GAV24 EDV24 GKJ-26.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 765/766.2

; Weis [AR7] line 153-25.9

; Per Med Lands:
     "BOSON de Turenne, son of GUILLAUME Vicomte de Turenne & his wife --- (-Jerusalem 1091). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "Bosonem" as son of "Guillermum"[1452]. The cartulary of Tulle St Martin records a donation by "Arcambaldus vicecomes de Comborn" dated May [1085] subscribed by "Ebali vicecomitis de Ventedorn fratris sui, Bernardi Bellimontis fratris sui, Bosoni vicecomitis de Torenna consanguinei sui"[1453]. Vicomte de Turenne. "Boso vicecomes de Torena cum uxore mea…Comptores" donated "alodium nostrum…inter castrum Torenæ et montem…Vetula Torena" to Uzerche by charter dated 1074[1454]. The cartulary of Tulle St Martin records a donation by "Boso…vicecomes…in Jerusalem quando obiit" dated 1091[1455].
     "m firstly CONTORS, daughter of ---. "Boso vicecomes de Torena cum uxore mea…Comptores" donated "alodium nostrum…inter castrum Torenæ et montem…Vetula Torena" to Uzerche by charter dated 1074[1456].
     "m secondly (after 1074) GERBERGE, daughter of --- (-1103, bur Tulle St Martin). The cartulary of Tulle St Martin records a donation by "Boso vicecomes Torenensis castri et uxor mea Guirberga…filium nostrum Ebalum" dated 1091 which also names "filiis nostris Raymondo et Archambaldo"[1457]. The cartulary of Tulle St Martin records a donation by "Raymundus vicecomes de Torena" made "pro anima matris suæ Guiberganæ que sepulta est apud Tutelam" dated 1103[1458]."
Med Lands cites:
[1452] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 23, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[1453] Tulle Saint-Martin 348, p. 202.
[1454] Uzerche, 271, p. 187.
[1455] Tulle Saint-Martin 500, p. 267.
[1456] Uzerche, 271, p. 187.
[1457] Tulle Saint-Martin 498, p. 265.
[1458] Tulle Saint-Martin 505, p. 272.3


; Per Racines et Histoire (Turenne): “Boson 1er de Turenne + 1091 (Jérusalem, Palestine) vicomte de Turenne, baron d’Aynac ? (cité dans des actes de 1074 ; souscrit une donation du vicomte de Comborn à Saint-Martin de Tulle en 05/1085 ; une dernière charte de donation à Saint-Martin de Tulle donnée à Jérusalem en 1091)
     ép. 1) Contors («Comptores») de Terasson (fille ou soeur de Pierre Comtor de Terrasson) > sans postérité
     ép. 2) après 1074 Gerberge (de Terrasson ?) (Terrasson, Lavilledieu, 24) + 1103 (inh. à Saint-Martin de Tulle) (citée dans la charte de son mari en 1091)”.6

; Per Genealogy.EU (Toulouse 2): “B1. Boson I Vcte de Turenne, +1092; m.before 1074 Gerberge N”.10 He was Vicomte de Turenne
Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "1037-1103 : Boson Ier de Turenne (°v.1030-1096) épouse Gerberge de Terrasson (1045-1103), fille de Bernard, comtor de Terrasson, et de Pétronille de la Rivière." between 1037 and 1103.8

Family 1

Contors («Comptores») de Terrasson

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul2.html
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Routrou I/III du Perche Count du Perche1,2,3,4,5,6,7

M, #10179, b. circa 1070, d. between 20 January 1144 and 23 April 1144
FatherGeoffroy II du Perche Comte du Perche et Mortagne, Seigneur de Mortagne et de Nogent8,9,3,7,10,5,6 b. c 1050, d. Oct 1100
MotherBeatrice/Beatrix de Montdidier7,3,10,5,6
Last Edited9 Nov 2020
     Routrou I/III du Perche Count du Perche was born circa 1070.3 He married Unknown (?)
;
His 1st wife.11,5,6 Routrou I/III du Perche Count du Perche married Maud/Mathiulde/Matilda Fitz Roy, daughter of Henry I "Beauclerc" (?) King of England and Edith (?), in 1103
;
His 2nd wife.1,12,4,3,13,5,14,6 Routrou I/III du Perche Count du Perche married Hawise (?) of Salisbury, daughter of Walter Fitz Edward d'Evreux of Salisbury and Sybil de Chaworth, before 1126
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His 3rd wife; her 1st husband. Genealogics says m bef 1126; Med Lands says m aft 1120.1,15,16,3,6
Routrou I/III du Perche Count du Perche died between 20 January 1144 and 23 April 1144 at Rouen, Departement de la Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France (now); Killed in batle.1,3,4,5
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE (-drowned off Barfleur, Normandy 25 Nov 1120). She is named as daughter of King Henry I by Orderic Vitalis, who specifies that the king "built up [her husband's] power by greatly augmenting his estates and wealth in England"[215]. Orderic also specifies that the king arranged her marriage at the same time as that of her half-sister Juliane[216]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to, but does not name, the wife of "Rotaldus comes" as "filiam regis Anglie", specifying that she had daughters[217]. Her father gave her lands in Wiltshire as her dowry[218]. "Rotrocus comes et Beatrix mater eius atque Mathildis uxor comitis" subscribed the charter dated to [1105/07] under which "Guillermus de Loiscel" made donations to Saint-Denis de Nogent[219]. The Continuator of Florence of Worcester names "…filia regis comitissa de Perceio…" among those drowned in the sinking of the White Ship[220]. William of Malmesbury also records that she drowned in the sinking of the “Blanche Nef [White Ship]”[221].
     "m (1103) as his first wife, ROTROU [I] Comte du Perche, son of GEOFFROY Comte du Perche & his wife Béatrix de Roucy (-killed in battle Rouen [20 Jan/23 Apr] or 6 May 1144)."
Med Lands cites:
[215] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. VI, Book XIII, p. 399.
[216] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. VI, Book XI, p. 41.
[217] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 14, MGH SS XIII, pp. 254-5.
[218] Domesday Descendants, p. 236.
[219] Nogent-le-Rotrou, XI, p. 39.
[220] Florentii Wigornensis Monachi Chronicon, Continuatio, p. 74.
[221] William of Malmesbury, 419, p. 364.14


; Per Genealogy.EU (Normandy): “H19. [illegitimate] Maud FitzEdidt, +drowned in the ship wreck 25.11.1120; m.1103 Cte Rotrou I du Perche (+IV.1144)”.17

; Per Racines et Histoire (Normandie): “X5) Maud FitzEdith + noyée 25/11/1120 (Barfleur) bâtarde de Normandie
     ép.1103 comte Rotrou 1er (ou II ?) du Perche + 04/1144”.18

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 12.
2. Biogr. details drawn from Wikipedia . French version.3


; Per Genealogics:
     “Rotrou was the son of Geoffrey II, comte du Perche et Mortagne, and Beatrice de Montdidier. He was comte du Perche from 1100 to his death. By a first wife whose name is not recorded, Rotrou had a daughter Beatrice who married Renaud IV de Château-Gontier, seigneur de Château-Gontier.
     “Rotrou accompanied his uncle Ebles II, comte de Roucy, to Spain in 1076 to fight the Moors, helping another uncle Sancho I, king of Aragón, to conquer the kingdom of Navarre from them. Then he enlisted in the First Crusade under the command of Robert II Curthose, duke of Normandy. He distinguished himself at the siege of Antioch, then in the capture of Jerusalem. His father died while he was still in the Holy Land.
     “Shortly after Rotrou's return, a conflict broke out between King Henry I of England and his elder brother Robert II Curthose. Rotrou supported Robert, while his family adversary Robert II, seigneur de Bellême et d'Alençon, supported Henry. Rotrou switched sides and rallied to Henry, marrying his natural daughter Matilda in 1103. However Rotrou's war against the lord of Bellême continued and their lands were ravaged to the extent that the two belligerents were excommunicated. However Rotrou quickly returned to favour.
     “With his second wife Matilda, Rotrou had two daughters of whom Philippa would have progeny, marrying Hélie II, comte de Maine.
     “In 1111 Rotrou fought under King Henry against Philippe I, king of France; Foulques V 'the Young', comte d'Anjou et Maine, and the lord of Bellême supported Philippe. Captured, Rotrou remained a prisoner of Bellême for some time, and Mortagne-au-Perche was burnt down during his captivity.
     “In 1112 he headed back to Spain and fought on behalf of Alfonso I 'the Battler', king of Aragón and Navarre, but he had to return quickly to defend Perche, invaded by Guillaume III Goët. Back in Spain from 1115 to 1118, he helped Alfonso to reclaim the kingdom of Navarre which had revolted.
     “Rotrou's wife Matilda died on 25 November 1120 in the sinking of the White Ship. Before 1126 Rotrou married Havise de Salisbury, daughter of Walter FitzEdward of Salisbury, and Sibylle de Chanort. They had two sons of whom Rotrou II would have progeny.
     “When King Henry I died in 1135, his kingdom was claimed both by his nephew Stephen de Blois and by his daughter Matilda of Normandy, married to Geoffrey V, comte d'Anjou et Maine, the son of Foulques V. In the war that followed, Rotrou first supported Stephen. However in 1141 Rotrou organised a meeting of the Norman lords who rallied massively to Matilda and Geoffrey. Geoffrey began the conquest of Normandy and laid siege to Rouen. Here Rotrou was killed by an arrow in January 1144.
     “Rotrou left two illegitimate sons, Bertrand, comte de Gravina, and Etienne, chancellor of Sicily. Rotrou's widow Havise de Salisbury married Robert I, comte de Dreux, du Perche, de Braine-sur-Vesle, with whom she had a daughter Adèle who would have progeny.”.3

; This is the same person as ”Routrou III” at the France Balade.

This is the also same person as ”Rotrou III, Count of Perche” at Wikipedia and as ”Rotrou III du Perche” at Wikipédia (FR).7,19,20 Routrou I/III du Perche Count du Perche was also known as Rotrou III 'The Great" du Perche Comte du Perche et Mortagne.9

; Per Racines et Histoire (Perche): “Rotrou 1er «Le Grand» du Perche +X selon les chroniqueurs entre 20/01 et 23/04 ou 06/05/1144 (bataille de Rouen) comte du Perche (confirmations de donations à Saint-Denis de Nogent 1080 et 1099 ; donations à Tiron 1120), accompagne le duc Robert III de Normandie en croisade (09/1096), combat pour son cousin Alfonso 1° «El Batallador», Roi d’Aragon contre les Maures (1105, 1114 puis 1125), fonde l’Abbaye de Tiron (1109), participe au siège du roi Henry 1er d’Angleterre contre Bellême (1114) - qu’il revendique comme héritage de son aïeule paternelle et qu’il reçoit en don du Roi ainsi que de nombreux fiefs en Angleterre -, partisan du Roi Etienne dont il reçoit Moulin (1135)
     ép. 1) ?
     ép. 2) Mathilde bâtarde d’Angleterre + 25/11/1120 (noyée à Barfleur dans le naufrage de la «Blanche Nef» (fille d’Henry 1er, Roi d’Angleterre, et de sa maîtresse Edith ; mariée par son père dans le même temps que sa demi-soeur Juliane, elle reçoit en douaire de celui-ci des terres dans le Wiltshire) (citée dans une charte de donation à Saint-Denis de Nogent datable de 1105/07)
     ép. 3) avant 1126 Hawise de Salisbury ° 1118 + un 13/01 avant 1152 (fille de Walter FitzEdward, earl of Salisbury, et de Sybille de Chaources (Chaworth) ; soeur de l’earl Patrick ; elle ép. 2) 1144/45 Robert de France qui deviendra plus tard comte de Dreux) ”.6

; Per Med Lands:
     "ROTROU "le Grand" du Perche, son of GEOFFROY [I] Comte de Mortagne, Comte du Perche & his wife Béatrix de Ramerupt [Roucy] (-killed in battle Rouen [20 Jan/23 Apr] or 6 May 1144). He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis[2135]. "Beatrice uxor mea et filio meo Rotroco nec non fratribus meis" confirmed the confirmation of donations to Saint-Denis de Nogent by "Gaufridus castri Mauritaniæ comes" dated [1080][2136]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Rotaldum eiusdem loci comitem et Iulianam de Aquila matrem regine Navarrensis, et Margaretam uxorem Gisleberti de Novo-burgo" as children, incorrectly, of "Rotaldo comiti de Pertica" & his wife Beatrix de Roucy[2137]. He succeeded his father as Comte du Perche. He accompanied Robert III Duke of Normandy on the First Crusade Sep 1096[2138]. William of Tyre names Rotrou Comte de Perche among those who left on the First Crusade in 1096 with Robert Count of Flanders[2139]. "Rotrocus filius domini Gauffridi comitis Mauritaniensis" confirmed donations to Saint-Denis de Nogent by charter dated 1099 after returning from Jerusalem and visiting his father's tomb[2140]. He fought for his first cousin Alfonso I "el Batallador" King of Aragon against the Moors in 1105 and 1114[2141]. He founded the abbey of Tiron in 1109[2142]. In 1114, he assisted Henry I King of England at the siege of Bellême, which he had previously claimed by hereditary right from his paternal grandmother and which the king granted to him after its capture. "Perticensis comes Rotrocus" donated property to the abbey of Sainte-Trinité de Tiron with the consent of "genere mei Helie filiique mee Philippe" by charter dated [1120] witnessed by "Juliane soror mea"[2143]. "Comes Rotro" donated property to the monastery of Subiano, confirmed by "Aldefonsus rex", by charter dated Apr 1123[2144]. He returned to France after another expedition in Spain in 1125[2145]. "Rotroldus comes Perticensis et dominus Belismensis, filius Gaufredi comitis Perticensis et comitissæ Beatricis" confirmed the donation of the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême to Marmoutier by charter dated 1126[2146]. He supported Stephen King of England who gave him Moulin in 1135[2147]. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1144 at the siege of Rouen of "comes Perticensis Rotrodus"[2148]. The necrology of Saint-Père-en-Vallée records the death "II Non Mai" of "Rotrocus comes Perticensis"[2149].
     "m firstly ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.
     "m secondly (1103) MATHILDE, illegitimate daughter of HENRY I King of England & his mistress Edith --- (-drowned off Barfleur, Normandy 25 Nov 1120). She is named as daughter of King Henry I by Orderic Vitalis, who specifies that the king "built up [her husband's] power by greatly augmenting his estates and wealth in England"[2150]. Orderic also specifies that the king arranged her marriage at the same time as that of her half-sister Juliane[2151]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to, but does not name, the wife of "Rotaldus comes" as "filiam regis Anglie", specifying that she had daughters[2152]. Her father gave her lands in Wiltshire as her dowry[2153]. "Rotrocus comes et Beatrix mater eius atque Mathildis uxor comitis" subscribed the charter dated to [1105/07] under which "Guillermus de Loiscel" made donations to Saint-Denis de Nogent[2154]. The Continuator of Florence of Worcester names "…filia regis comitissa de Perceio…" among those drowned in the sinking of the White Ship[2155]. William of Malmesbury also records that she drowned following the sinking of the “Blanche Nef [White Ship]”[2156].
     "m thirdly (after [1120]) as her first husband, HAWISE de Salisbury, daughter of WALTER FitzEdward Earl of Salisbury & his wife Sibylle de Chaources [Chaworth] (-13 Jan before 1152). William of Tyre refers to Rotrou's marriage with the sister of Earl Patrick after the marriage of his daughter Philippa[2157]. Philippa’s marriage is dated to [1120]. The chronology of Hawise’s children suggests their births after [1135/40] at the earliest. If that is correct, Hawise would presumably have been an infant if she had married soon after [1120]. It appears more likely that the marriage took place in the early 1130s, which would place Hawise’s birth in [1120], which would suggest that she was one of her parents’ older children. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the first wife of "comitem de Brana Robertum domnum" as "matrem…comitis Rotroldi de Pertico, natam de Salesberia"[2158]. Robert of Torigny records that "uxorem…suam [comitis Perticensis Rotrodi]" was later given by "Ludovicus rex Francorum [to] Roberto fratri suo"[2159]. She married secondly ([1144/45]) as his first wife, Robert de France, who was later installed as Seigneur de Dreux. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "Id Jan" of "Amicia comitissa Perticensis mater Rotrodi militis"[2160], although if this entry correctly refers to Hawise it is surprising that there is no reference which would indicate her second marriage."
Med Lands cites:
[2135] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. IV, Book VIII, pp. 301 and 331.
[2136] Nogent-le-Rotrou VII, p. 24, and Cluny Tome IV, 3563, p. 698.
[2137] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 14, MGH SS XIII, pp. 254-5.
[2138] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. V, Book IX, p. 34, and Vol. VI, Book XIII, p. 395.
[2139] William of Tyre I.XVII, p. 45.
[2140] Nogent-le-Rotrou X, p. 36.
[2141] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. VI, Book XIII, pp. 394-6 and 401.
[2142] ES III 689.
[2143] Tiron Sainte-Trinité XXXIII, p. 53.
[2144] Lacarra 'Documentos para la reconquista del valle del Ebro' (1952) 308, p. 533.
[2145] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. VI, Book XIII, p. 405.
[2146] Marmoutier-Perche, 21, p. 33.
[2147] CP XI Appendix D, pp. 112-3.
[2148] Robert de Torigny, Vol. I, 1144, p. 234.
[2149] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Abbaye de Saint-Père-enVallée, p. 188.
[2150] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. VI, Book XIII, p. 399.
[2151] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. VI, Book XI, p. 41.
[2152] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 14, MGH SS XIII, pp. 254-5.
[2153] Domesday Descendants, p. 236.
[2154] Nogent-le-Rotrou XI, p. 39.
[2155] Florentii Wigornensis Monachi Chronicon, Continuatio, p. 74.
[2156] William of Malmesbury, 419, p. 364.
[2157] William of Tyre XIV.I, p. 607.
[2158] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1162, MGH SS XXIII, p. 845.
[2159] Chronique de Robert de Torigny I, 1144, p. 234.
[2160] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Eglise cathédrale de Chartres, Obituaire du xii siècle, p. 33.5


; Per Med Lands:
     "HAWISE ([1120]-13 Jan before 1152). William of Tyre refers to Rotrou's marriage with the sister of Earl Patrick after the marriage of his daughter Philippa[1445]. Philippa’s marriage is dated to [1120]. The chronology of Hawise’s children suggests their births after [1135/40] at the earliest. If that is correct, Hawise would presumably have been an infant if she had married soon after [1120]. It appears more likely that the marriage took place in the early 1130s, which would place Hawise’s birth in [1120], which would suggest that she was one of her parents’ older children. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the first wife of "comitem de Brana Robertum domnum" as "matrem…comitis Rotroldi de Pertico, natam de Salesberia"[1446]. Robert of Torigny records that "uxorem…suam [comitis Perticensis Rotrodi]" was later given by "Ludovicus rex Francorum [to] Roberto fratri suo"[1447]. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "Id Jan" of "Amicia comitissa Perticensis mater Rotrodi militis"[1448], although if this entry correctly refers to Hawise it is surprising that there is no reference which would indicate her second marriage.
     "m firstly (after [1120]) as his third wife, ROTROU Comte du Perche, son of GEOFFROY I Comte de Mortagne, Comte du Perche & his wife Béatrix de Roucy (-killed in battle Rouen [20 Jan/23 Apr] 1144).
     "m secondly ([1144/45]) as his first wife, ROBERT de France, son of LOUIS VI King of France & his wife Adélaïde de Maurienne [Savoie] ([1124/26]-Braine 11 Oct 1188, bur Braine, église abbatiale de Saint-Ived). His brother King Louis VI installed him as Seigneur de Dreux in 1152."
Med Lands cites:
[1445] William of Tyre XIV.I, p. 607.
[1446] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1162, MGH SS XXIII, p. 845.
[1447] Robert de Torigny I, 1144, p. 234.
[1448] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Eglise cathédrale de Chartres, Obituaire du xii siècle, p. 33.16
He was Comte du Perche between 1099 and 1144.9

Family 1

Unknown (?)
Child

Family 2

Maud/Mathiulde/Matilda Fitz Roy b. 1086, d. 25 Nov 1120
Child

Family 3

Hawise (?) of Salisbury b. c 1118, d. b 13 Jan 1152
Child

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Francis Lightfoot1

M, #10180
FatherHonorable Philip Lightfoot1 b. bt 1646 - 1648, d. 1708
MotherAlice Corbin1 b. 14 Feb 1660, d. c 1713
Last Edited3 Sep 2020

Citations

  1. [S4794] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in colonial and Medieval Families (5 Volumes) (n.p.: n.pub., 2013), Aske, 20.ii., p. 171. Hereinafter cited as Richardson [2013] Royal Ancestry.

Renaud/Rainard I (?) Comte de Tonnerre1,2

M, #10181, b. between 980 and 990, d. after 16 July 1039
FatherMilon IV (?) Comte de Tonnerre3 b. bt 950 - 965, d. c 1002
MotherErmengarde de Bar-sur-Seine3 d. a 1018
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited22 Jul 2020
     Renaud/Rainard I (?) Comte de Tonnerre was born between 980 and 990.2 He married Helvis (?) after 1002.2

Renaud/Rainard I (?) Comte de Tonnerre died after 16 July 1039.2
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 716.1 GAV-26.

Reference: Weis [1992:100] Line 107-21.4

; Per Med Lands:
     "RAINARD de Tonnerre ([980/90]-after 16 Jul 1039). “Milo comes Tornodorensis castri” donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel, with the consent of “coniugis mee Ermengarde et…filiorum meorum Achardi, Rainardi et Alberici”, by charter dated to [992/1005][58]. "Milo comes… Achardus, Odo, Raynardus" witnessed the charter dated to [992] under which “Umbertus…et mee conjugis…Giberge” donated property "in villa…Curtis-Secreta…in comitatu Tornodorense" to Saint-Michel de Tonnerre[59]. It is possible that the last three names in the list refer to the children of Milon [IV] Comte de Tonnerre. Comte de Tonnerre. "Raynardus comes Tornodorensis pagi et mater mea Ermengardis comitissa" donated "alodum nostrum…Cappam" to Saint-Michel by charter dated 1002, signed by "Odonis vicecomitis…"[60]. "Leotgarda comitissa…ac filii mei Rogerii" donated "terram…in villa…Jassant" to Saint-Michel by charter dated to [1005], signed by "Rogerius comes, Richardus, Rainardus comes, Alberic, Erembertus vicecomes, Milo…"[61]. “Rainaldus comes” donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel, for the soul of “filii mei Othonis” buried in the monastery and “uxore mea Herviz…filio nostro Arduyno ac filia Ermengarda”, by charter dated Jul 1036, subscribed by “…Raynaldi comitis, Willelmi comitis filius eius”[62]. “Raynardus comes” donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel (on his deathbed), with the consent of “uxoris mee Herviz et filii mei Harduini sive filie mee Ermengarde”, by charter dated 16 Jul 1039 which also names “mater mea Ermengardis”[63].
     "m (after 1002) HELVIS, daughter of --- (-after 16 Jul 1039). “Rainaldus comes” donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel, for the soul of “filii mei Othonis” buried in the monastery and “uxore mea Herviz…filio nostro Arduyno ac filia Ermengarda”, by charter dated Jul 1036[64]. “Raynardus comes” donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel (on his deathbed), with the consent of “uxoris mee Herviz et filii mei Harduini sive filie mee Ermengarde”, by charter dated 16 Jul 1039 which also names “mater mea Ermengardis”[65]."
Med Lands cites:
[58] Yonne, Tome I, XXCI, p. 156.
[59] Yonne, Tome I, XXC, p. 154.
[60] Petit, Vol. II, 686, p. 428.
[61] Petit, Vol. II, 687, p. 430.
[62] Yonne, Tome I, XC, p. 171.
[63] Yonne, Tome I, XCII, p. 177.
[64] Yonne, Tome I, XC, p. 171.
[65] Yonne, Tome I, XCII, p. 177.2

Family

Helvis (?)
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Renaud I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120902&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdtonne.htm#Ermengardisdiedbefore1090MGuillaumeINeve. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdtonne.htm#MiloTonnerredied1002
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 107-21, p. 100. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120901&tree=LEO

Waleran/Galeran III de Meulan Comte de Meulan1,2,3

M, #10182
FatherHugues I de Meulan comtre de Meulan4,5,6,7 b. c 965, d. a 25 Aug 1005
MotherAdela/Oda de Vixen4,8 b. c 970
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited16 Apr 2020
     Waleran/Galeran III de Meulan Comte de Meulan married Oda de Conteville, daughter of Jean de Conteville.2
Waleran/Galeran III de Meulan Comte de Meulan married Aelis (?)2

     GAV-26 EDV-26.

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Family 1

Aelis (?)
Children

Citations

  1. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 125. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
  2. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 17, de BEAUMONT-5. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 5 page (The Sires de Beaumont-le-Roger): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont5.html
  4. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I10365
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Meulan, seigneurs de Beaumont (-Le-Roger) & Earls of Leicester, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Meulan-Beaumont.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00452395&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#HuguesMeulanMdauGauthierValois. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Valois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00452396&tree=LEO
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 151-25, p. 133. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, ABeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 42. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Roger I La Zouche1,2

M, #10183, b. circa 1175, d. before 14 May 1238
FatherAlain I La Zouche2,3 b. c 1115, d. 1190
MotherAlix de Beaumez2,3,4
ReferenceGAV21 EDV21
Last Edited10 Aug 2020
     Roger I La Zouche married Margaret Bisset, daughter of Henry Bisset.5,2,6,3,7
Roger I La Zouche was born circa 1175;
Genealogy.EU says b. bef 1199. Genealogcs says c. 1175.2,3
Roger I La Zouche died before 14 May 1238.8
Roger I La Zouche died before 14 May 1238.5,3
     GAV-21 EDV-21 GKJ-22.

;
Per Burke's: "Roger LA ZOUCHE, of Ashby-de-la-Zouche, Leics; served in Poitou, possibly under Geoffrey (d 1205), an illegitimate s of KING JOHN who held the honour of Perche and led an expedition of mercenaries to France in 1205, and again 1214, though under some other leader; served in Ireland 1210; took an oath to uphold the baronial enforcement of Magna Carta 1215 but witnessed a charter issued by JOHN 1216, hence had presumably switched support to the King by then; benefited from substantial land grants in Cambs, Devon, Hants and Norfolk at JOHN's and HENRY III's hands; Sheriff Devon 1228-31; a witness to HENRY III's confirmation of Magna Carta Jan 1236/7; m Margaret (d in or after 1220 or even as late as 1232 or after) and d by 14 May 1238"
Per Genealogics:
     "Roger La Zouche was the second son of Alan Ceoche of La Coche, otherwise La Zouche, and Alix de Beaumez. With his wife Margaret Biset he had several children of whom Eudes, Alan, Guillaume and Lorette would have progeny.
     "Roger's Breton connection (his grandfather was Geoffroi, vicomte de Porhoët in Brittany, and his uncle Eudon II de Porhoët was for a few years count of Brittany) was almost fatal to him in 1204, but he managed to regain King John's favour, and devoted himself to that king to the last.
     "In the first year of Henry III's reign he was rewarded by receiving grants of the forfeited estates of his kinsmen, the viscounts of Rohan. He died before 3 November 1238."5

Roger I La Zouche lived at Ashby-de-la-Zouche, Leicestershire, England.5

Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. 43
     2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 10:13
     3. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. XII/2 931.9,3 Roger I La Zouche was also known as Roger I de la Zouche.2 He was living between 1199 and 1236.2

Family

Margaret Bisset d. bt 1220 - 1232
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 264, de la ZOUCHE 2:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Rohan 1 page - Family de Rohan: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/rohan/rohan1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roger La Zouche: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139403&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix de Beaumez: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139402&tree=LEO
  5. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Zouche Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Biset: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139404&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Biset: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139404&tree=LEO
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 39-28, p. 43. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 39-28, p. 43: "...a witness to Henry III's confirmation of the Magna Carta."
  10. [S2071] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 25 May 2006: "Eudes la Zouche, senior and junior: a conjecture"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 May 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 25 May 2006."
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eon|Eudes La Zouche, of Ashby: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139405&tree=LEO
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Alan La Zouche: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027696&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#AlanZouchedied1270. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Margaret Bisset1

F, #10184, d. between 1220 and 1232
FatherHenry Bisset2,3 d. 1208
ReferenceGAV21 EDV21
Last Edited10 Aug 2020
     Margaret Bisset married Roger I La Zouche, son of Alain I La Zouche and Alix de Beaumez.4,5,1,6,3

Margaret Bisset died between 1220 and 1232.4
Margaret Bisset died before 14 May 1238.5,1
     Reference: van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: X 13 ; surname Douglas Richardson.1 GAV-21 EDV-21 GKJ-22. Margaret Bisset was also known as Margaret Biset.3

Family

Roger I La Zouche b. c 1175, d. b 14 May 1238
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Biset: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139404&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henry Bisset: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00052076&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Biset: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139404&tree=LEO
  4. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Zouche Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Rohan 1 page - Family de Rohan: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/rohan/rohan1.html
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roger La Zouche: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139403&tree=LEO
  7. [S2071] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 25 May 2006: "Eudes la Zouche, senior and junior: a conjecture"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 May 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 25 May 2006."
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eon|Eudes La Zouche, of Ashby: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139405&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Alan La Zouche: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027696&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#AlanZouchedied1270. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Rohese/Rose de Lacy1,2

F, #10185
FatherHugh de Lacy Earl of Ulster1,3 d. b 26 Dec 1242
MotherLesceline de Verdun1,4
Last Edited16 Jul 2020
     Rohese/Rose de Lacy married Alan fitz Roland Lord of Galloway, Constable of Scotland, son of Roland Galloway Lord of Galloway and Elena de Morville of Lauder, in 1229
;
His 5th (?) wife.5,6,2
     ; Per Weis: "Alan, Lord of Galloway, named in the Magna Charta, Constable of Scotland, 1215-1234, d. 1234, m. (1) said to be a dau. of Reginald, Lord of the Isles; m. (2) 1209, Margaret of Huntingdon (94-27); m. (3) 1228, a dau. of Hugh de Lacy, Earl of Ulster (died 1243) by his 1st wife, Lesceline, dau of Bertran de Verdun (Orpen, Ireland under the Normans III chart p. 286) or daul. or sister of roger de Lacy of Pontefract (Trans. of the Dunfrieshire & Galloway Nat. Hist. Soc., 49:49-55); (SP IV: 138:143; CP IV: 670 chart; Jacobus, Bulkeley, 12).”.7
; Per Med Lands:
     "ALAN of Galloway, son of ROLAND Lord of Galloway & his wife Helen de Moreville (-[2] Feb 1234, bur Dundraynan[1170]). He succeeded his father in 1200 as Lord of Galloway. "Alanus filius Rollandi de Galwythia" donated "partem terre in territorio de Gillebeccokestun…de Widhope" to Melrose abbey, for the souls of "Ricardi de Morevill avi mei et Willemi avunculi mei, Rollandi patris mei et…mea et Helene matris mee", by undated charter[1171]. "Alanus filius Rolandi dominus Galwath[ie] et Scocie constabularius" donated annual revenue to St Bees by undated charter, witnessed by "Alano filio Ketelli, Alano de Camerton, Gilberto filio Gospatrici…"[1172]. "Thomas de Colevilla cognomento Scot" donated "quartam partam de Almelidum…Keresban" to Melrose abbey by undated charter witnessed by "…Alano filio Rolandi de Galewai, Fergus filio Uctredi, Edgaro filio Douenad, Dunkano filio Gilbti comite de Carric…"[1173]. "Alanus fili Rolandi de Galweia constabularius dni regis Scottorum" donated property "in Ulkelyston" to Kelso monastery, for the souls of "patris mei Rolandi, avi mei Huhtredi", by charter dated to [1206][1174]. The Annals of Dunstable record that “dominus Galwinæ” died in 1235[1175]. The Liber Pluscardensis records the death in [1234] of "Alanus de Galway filius Rotholandi de Galway…qui…fuit constabilarius Scociæ" and his burial "apud Dundranan"[1176]. The Chronicle of Lanercost records the death "circa purificacionem beatæ Virginis" [2 Feb] in 1233 of "Alanus dominus Galwydiæ"[1177]. On his death Galway was divided between his daughters, but the people of Galway invited Alexander II King of Scotland to become their sole lord but he refused. The king finally defeated the insurgents after Jul 1235[1178].
     "m firstly (before [19 Dec 1200/1206]) --- de Lacy, daughter of ROGER de Lacy Constable of Chester & his wife Matilda de Clare (-[1201/06]). Keith Stringer says that "one of the daughters of Roger de Lacy was evidently Alan’s first wife" and that "the manor of Kippax" was her dowry, quoting a charter, dated to [19 Dec 1200/1206], under which "Alanus filius Rollandi, dominus Galuuaith Scotie constabularius…et heredibus meis" gave quitclaim to "Rogero de Lascy Cestrie constabularius et heredibus suis" for "advocationem ecclesie de Kipeis"[1179]. Her parentage and marriage are confirmed by the following document: the Curia Regis rolls record in 1214 “John [de Lacy] de warrantia carte de terra de Kippes...should warrant the charters of his father Roger which Alan [de Galloway]...has concerning the maritagium of his sister”[1180].
     "[m [secondly] --- [of the Isles, daughter of REGINALD Lord of the Isles & his wife Fonie ---] (-before 1209). Balfour Paul says that Alan Lord of Galloway married first "a lady unknown, said to be a daughter of Reginald Lord of the Isles by whom he had two daughters"[1181]. He cites Chalmers’s Caledonia, but that says only that “the name of the first [wife] is unknown” without providing any indication of her family origin[1182]. Balfour Paul repeats his suggestion under the Lords of the Isles where he notes a daughter of Reginald Lord of the Isles "said to have married Alan of Galloway", without citing any source[1183]. There is no indication of the basis for Balfour Paul’s statements and no primary source which confirms this person’s parentage and marriage has been identified. Her existence should presumably be treated with caution until some such source emerges. If she did marry Alan, she was not the mother of his daughter Ellen shown below. She was either married before his marriage to “--- de Lacy” or before he married Margaret of Huntingdon: she is shown here, for presentational purposes only, as Alan’s possible second wife.]
     "m [thirdly] (Dundee 1209) MARGARET of Huntingdon, daughter of DAVID of Scotland Earl of Huntingdon & his wife Matilda of Chester ([1194]-[after 6 Jan 1233]). The Chronicle of Melrose records the marriage in 1209 of "Alan FitzRoland" and "the daughter of earl David, the brother of the king of Scotland"[1184]. The Annales Londonienses name "Margaretam, Isabellam, Matildam, et Aldam" as the four daughters of "comiti David", recording the marriage of "la primere fille Davi" and "Aleyn de Gavei"[1185]. John of Fordun’s Scotichronicon (Continuator) records the marriage in 1208 "apud Dunde" of "Alanus magnus de Galweyia, filius Rotholandi" and "Margaretam filiam David comitis de Huntingtona"[1186]. The primary source which confirms her appearance in Jan 1233 has not been identified. The date is inconsistent with Alan’s subsequent marital history, unless his marriage to Margaret was dissolved.
     "m [fourthly] (before 30 Mar 1222, annulled for consanguinity/affinity [1225/29]) JULIANA, daughter of ---. Her husband challenged the validity of this marriage on grounds of consanguinity/affinity. The family relationship between the couple has not been ascertained. Pope Honorius III mandated the archbishop of York and others that “Alan constable of Scotland was of such close kindred and affinity to his wife that they could not cohabit without mortal sin”, and to refer the case to the Papal legate, dated 30 Apr 1222[1187]. Pope Honorius III wrote to the archbishop of Canterbury 28 Feb 1225 requesting him “to proceed to a decision of a suit relating to the alleged marriage of Alan knight and Juliana heard before the abbot of Bruern”, recording details of the proceedings including the appearance of the wife before the Pope who doubted “whether the acts and attestations she brought with her were true”, and ordered “the archbishop, if the said knight will not be induced to treat the woman as his wife, to have the original acts produced and decide the matter”[1188]. Anderson suggests that "Juliana seems to have lost the case"[1189].
     "m [fifthly] ([1228/29]) ROSE de Lacy, daughter of HUGH de Lacy & [his first wife Lesceline de Verdun] (-after 1237). According to Matthew Paris, the wife of Alan of Galloway "iam defunctus" was the (unnamed) daughter of "Hugonem de Lasey"[1190]. The Chronicle of Lanercost records in 1229 that "Alan the lord of Galloway…set out for Ireland and there married the daughter of Hugh de Lacy"[1191]. John of Fordun’s Scotichronicon (Continuator) records that "Alanus de Galweia profectus in Hiberniam" married "filiam Hugonis de Lacy" in 1228[1192]. If her parentage and marriage is correctly stated in the two sources quoted, the chronology suggests that this daughter must have been born from Hugh’s first marriage, assuming that she was legitimate. She is named "Rose de Lacy" by Keith Stringer, who cites a charter of St Bees which indicates that she was still alive in 1237[1193]."
Med Lands cites:
[1170] Chronicle of Melrose, 1234, p. 60.
[1171] Melrose Liber, Tome I, 83, p. 72.
[1172] St Bees, 42, p. 71.
[1173] Melrose Liber, Tome I, 192, p. 172.
[1174] Kelso, Tome I, 245, p. 201.
[1175] Annales de Dunstaplia, p. 143.
[1176] Liber Pluscardensis, Vol. I, Liber VII, CX, p. 73.
[1177] Lanercost Chronicle, 1233, p. 42.
[1178] Chronicle of Melrose, 1234 and 1235, pp. 60-1.
[1179] Stringer, K. J. ‘Periphery and Core in Thirteenth Century Scotland: Alan son of Roland, Lord of Galloway and Constable of Scotland’, Grant, A. & Stringer, K. J. (eds.) (1998) Medieval Scotland, Crown, Lordship and Community (Edinburgh U.P.), p. 104.
[1180] Stringer, K. J. ‘A new wife for Alan of Galloway’, Transactions of the Dumfriesshire and Galloway Natural History and Antiquarian Society, 3rd Series, Vol. XLIX (Dumfries, 1972), p. 51, citing Curia Regis Rolls, Vol. VII (1935). I am grateful to David M. Lawrence for sending a copy of this article.
[1181] Balfour Paul The Scots Peerage, Vol. IV, Galloway, p. 141.
[1182] Chalmers, G. (1890) Caledonia, Vol. V (Paisley), p. 258.
[1183] Balfour Paul The Scots Peerage, Vol. V, Macdonald, Lord of the Isles, p. 32.
[1184] Chronicle of Melrose, 1209, p. 33.
[1185] Annales Londonienses, p. 126.
[1186] Johannis de Fordun (Goodall), Vol. I, Lib. VIII, Cap. LXVIII, p. 523.
[1187] Bliss, W. H. (1893) Calendar of entries in the Papal registers relating to Great Britain and Ireland (London), Vol. I, p. 87.
[1188] Bliss (1893), Vol. I, p. 101.
[1189] Anderson Early Sources, Vol. II, p. 468.
[1190] Matthew Paris, Vol. III, 1236, p. 364.
[1191] Chronicle of Lanercost, p. 40, quoted in Anderson Early Sources, Vol. II, p. 467.
[1192] Johannis de Fordun (Goodall), Vol. II, Lib. IX, Cap. XLVII, p. 58.
[1193] Stringer ‘Periphery and Core: Alan of Galloway’, p. 96, citing Register of St Bees, 5, p. x.8


; van de Pas cites: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 42 first name & marriage year Douglas Richardson.1,9

; Weis [AR7] 38-26.5

Citations

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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 38-26, p. 42. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
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Waltheof (?) 1st Lord of Allerdale1,2

M, #10186, b. circa 1060, d. 1138
FatherGospatric I (?) Earl of Northumberland, 1st Earl of Dunbar, Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale2,3,4,5 b. bt 1040 - 1048, d. 15 Dec 1075
ReferenceGAV24 EDV25
Last Edited26 Aug 2020
     Waltheof (?) 1st Lord of Allerdale married Sigrid (?)6,2,7
Waltheof (?) 1st Lord of Allerdale was born circa 1060.2
Waltheof (?) 1st Lord of Allerdale died in 1138; Ravilious says d. aft 1125.2,8
      ;
per Ravilious [2007]:
Waltheof (Waldeve) of Dunbar
Death:     aft 1125
Occ:     lord of Allerdale
Father:     Gospatric, earl of Northumbria [Earl of March 1072-1075]
Mother:     NN
lord of Papcastle (Allerdale below Derwent), Cumberland
     'In the reign of Henry I Waldeve held a small part of Egremont from William le Meschin. This later became the honour of Cockermouth' (Sanders, p. 134)[1]
cf. SP III:243-4[2]
Associated with:     NN [not married]
Children:     Gospatric (->1139)
Other Spouses: Sigrid [mother of Gunnhild of Allerdale, &c.]
Ravilious cites:
     1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
     2. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
     3. "Durham Cathedral Muniments: Miscellaneous Charters," Durham University Library Archives & Special Collections, http://flambard.dur.ac.uk:6336/dynaweb/handlist/ddc/dcdmisch/@Generic__BookTextView/10523
     4. Joseph Bain, ed., "Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland," Edinburgh: Her Majesty's General Register House, 1881 (Vol. I), full title: Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland, Preserved in Her Majesty's Public Record Office, London.
     5. "A History of Cumberland," Vol. I, London: Archibald Constable and Company Limited, Vol. I, Appendix: The Pipe Rolls.
     6. Joseph Bain, "Notes on the Trinitarian or Red Friars in Scotland, and on a Recently Discovered Charter of Alexander III. Confirming the Foundation of Houstoun by Cristiana Fraser, widow of Sir Roger de Moubray," Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries, 12 December 1887, pp. 26 et seq.
     7. "Alexander II, King of Scotland," Dictionary of National Biography, New York: MacMillan and Co. (London: Smith, Elder & Co.), Vol. I (1885), pp. 261-264.
     8. Joseph Stevenson, "Documents illustrative of the history of Scotland from the death of King Alexander the Third to the Accession of Robert Bruce," Edinburgh: H. M. General Register House, 1870 (Vol. I), 1870 (Vol. II).
     9. Rev. Charles Moor, D.D., F.S.A., "Knights of Edward I," Pubs. of the Harleian Society, 1929-1930, 3 Vols. (Vols. 80-83 in series).
     10. "Calendar of the Patent Rolls," preserved in the Public Record Office, Edward I. A.D. 1301-1307, London: for the Public Record Office, 1898, (reprinted 1971, Kraus-Thomson, Liechtenstein).
     11. W. H. Bliss, ed., "Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and Ireland," Papal Letters, Vol. II (A.D. 1305 - 1342), London: for the Public Record Office, 1895, (reprinted 1971, Kraus-Thomson, Liechtenstein).
     12. William Fraser, "The Red Book of Menteith," Edinburgh: 1880.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com, history and evidences concerning the Earls and Earldom of Mentieth.8 He was Abbot of Crowland.2

Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. 41
     2. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 101.3

;
per Genealogics:
     "Waltheof was an 11th and 12th century Anglo-Saxon noble, lord of Allerdale in modern Cumbria. He was the son of Gospatric, earl of Northumberland, 'earl of Dunbar', and brother of Cospatrick, 2nd earl of Dunbar and Dolfin of Carlisle. A sister Athelreda married Duncan II, king of Scots, and became mother of William FitzDuncan, earl of Moray, lord of Skipton.
     "Both Waltheof and his brother Cospatrick were witnesses to the inquest into the bishopric of Glasgow by the future David I 'the Saint', king of Scots, and Waltheof also attested some of David's charters as king later. The account of Waltheof and his family in Cumbrian monastic cartularies (St.Bees and Wetheral), says that he gave land in Allerdale to his three sisters.
     "By his wife Sigrid, Waltheof had two sons and several daughters. Alan (fl.1139) succeeded to Allerdale. The other son was named Gospatric. A daughter Ethelreda married Ranulf de Lindsay and then William de Esseville. Another Gunnild married Uchtred, lord of Galloway, and had progeny by him.
     "It is not recorded when Waltheof died."3 He was 1st Baron of Allerdale.2

Reference: Weis [AR7] 38-23.6 GAV-24 EDV-25.

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 187, NURTHUMBERLAND 4. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 38-23, p. 41. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sigrid: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00385434&tree=LEO
  8. [S2136] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Feb 2007: "Re: Philip Mowbray, Gov. of Stirling Castle"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Feb 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Feb 2007."

Sigrid (?)1

F, #10187
ReferenceGAV24 EDV25
Last Edited24 Aug 2019
     Sigrid (?) married Waltheof (?) 1st Lord of Allerdale, son of Gospatric I (?) Earl of Northumberland, 1st Earl of Dunbar, Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale.2,3,4

     Reference: Genealogics cites: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. 41.4 GAV-24 EDV-25. Sigrid (?) was living in 1126.4

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 187, NURTHUMBERLAND 4. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 38-23, p. 41. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sigrid: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00385434&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Gospatric I (?) Earl of Northumberland, 1st Earl of Dunbar, Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale1,2,3,4,5

M, #10188, b. between 1040 and 1048, d. 15 December 1075
FatherMaldred I MacCrinan (?) Lord of Carlisle & Allerdale, Regent of Strathclyde6,7,8,4,9,5,10,11 b. b 1009, d. 1045
MotherEaldgyth (Edith) (?) of Northumberland6,7,8,4,12,5,10,11
ReferenceGAV25 EDV26
Last Edited16 Dec 2020
     Gospatric I (?) Earl of Northumberland, 1st Earl of Dunbar, Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale was born between 1040 and 1048 at Northumberland, England; Genealogics and Genealogy.EU say b. ca 1040; Weis says b. ca 1040; Burke's and Med Lands say b. 1040-48.13,14,7,4,5
Gospatric I (?) Earl of Northumberland, 1st Earl of Dunbar, Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale died on 15 December 1075 at Ubbanford (now Norham), Northumerland, England.15,16,4,5
Gospatric I (?) Earl of Northumberland, 1st Earl of Dunbar, Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale was buried after 15 December 1075 at St Cuthbert Churchyard, now Norham, Northumerland, England; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1040, Northumberland, England
     DEATH     15 Dec 1074 (aged 33–34), Norham, Northumberland Unitary Authority, Northumberland, England
     Gospatric was Earl of Northumbria, or of Bernicia, and later lord of sizable estates around Dunbar. In 1072 William the Conqueror stripped Gospatric of his Earldom of Northumbria, and he replaced him with Siward's son Waltheof, 1st Earl of Northampton. Gospatric fled into exile in Scotland and not long afterwards went by ship to Flanders. When he returned to Scotland he was granted the castle at "Dunbar and lands adjacent to it" and in the Merse by King Malcolm Canmore. This earldom without a name in the Scots-controlled northern part of Bernicia would later become the Earldom of Dunbar. Gospatric did not long survive in exile according to Roger of Hoveden's chronicle:
     Not long after this, being reduced to extreme infirmity, he sent for Aldwin and Turgot, the monks, who at this time were living at Meilros, in poverty and contrite in spirit for the sake of Christ, and ended his life with a full confession of his sins, and great lamentations and penitence, at Ubbanford, which is also called Northam, and was buried in the porch of the church there. He was the father of three sons, and a daughter named Uchtreda, who married Donnchad, son of King Malcolm Canmore.
     The sons were:
** Gospatric who was killed at the battle of the Standard in 1138 was his heir.
** Dolfin, who seems to have received from Malcolm the government of Carlisle

     Family Members
     Spouse
          Aethelreda of Wessex of Northumbria 1046 – unknown
     Children
          Waltheof of Allerdale
          Gospatric II de Dunbar 1062–1138
          Dolfin FitzGospatric de Staveley 1075 – unknown
          Aethelreda FitzGospatric MacMalcolm 1080–1167
          Gunilda de Dunbar de Kendal 1081 – unknown
     BURIAL     St Cuthbert Churchyard, Norham, Northumberland Unitary Authority, Northumberland, England
     Created by: Kat
     Added: 3 Aug 2012
     Find a Grave Memorial 94763780.14,17
      ; Per Genealogics:
     "Gospatric was born about 1040, the son of Maldred, lord of Allerdale, and Ealdgyth of Northumberland. It was most probably Gospatric who in 1061 visited Rome with Toste Godwinson, the brother of King Harold II. After the battle of Hastings, Gospatric joined the Danes in an invasion of the north of England, but he made his peace with William the Conqueror. At Christmas 1067 he was made earl of Northumberland, but late in 1072 he was deprived of this position and fled to Scotland where King Malcolm Canmore gave him Dunbar and the lands adjoining. When he died on 15 December 1075 he was described as both an earl and a monk. He left two sons and two daughters who would have progeny.
     "In 1821 a stone coffin, with _Cospatricius, Comes_ described on its lid, was found in the monks' burial ground at Dunbar."16

; Per Burke's: "Gospatric, Earl of Northumberland 1067-72 (dep by WILLIAM I) and 1st Earl of Dunbar, of which Earldom his descendant George, 11th Earl, was depr. by Act of Parl(y) 7 Aug 1434 (see SCOTS Peerage).“.6

; Per Burke's (DUNBAR of Mochrum): "GOSPATRIC; b 1040-48; installed 1068/9 by WILLIAM I (THE CONQUEROR) as Earl (then still predominantly an administrative post; see NORTHUMBERLAND, D, preliminary remarks) of Northumberland after his payment of a heavy fine or what would now be thought of as an entrance fee (though his hereditary claim through his maternal gf also played a part), later (Oct or Nov 1072) deprived of the Earldom on a charge of having taken part in a massacre at Durham; fled to Scotland, where his cousin MALCOLM III granted him the Mormaorship of Dunbar; m -, sister of Edmund -, and was bur Ubbanford (modern Norham, Northumberland, on the border with Scotland) c 1075“.14

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: I 166.
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 37, 41.
3. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: IV 504.
4. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 603.4


; Per Genealogy.EU (Dunkeld): “B1. Gospatrick, Earl of Northumbria (1071-72), Earl of Dunbar (1072), *ca 1040, +Norham ca 15.12.1090/1100, bur Norham Church; m.NN”.18

; This is the same person as ”Gospatric, Earl of Northumbria” at Wikipedia.


This is also the same person as ”Gospatric, earl of Northumbria” at the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.19,20

; Per Med Lands:
     "GOSPATRICK, son of MALDRED Lord of Allerdale & his wife Ealdgyth of Northumbria ([1040/48]-[1075]). Simeon of Durham names "Cospatric son of Maldred son of Crinan" when recording that he was appointed Earl of Northumberland[1411]. His parentage is given by Roger of Hoveden[1412]. He paid William I King of England a heavy fine so he could succeed as Earl of Northumberland in Dec 1067, although he did have a hereditary claim through his mother's family. He rebelled against King William and joined the invading Norwegians who sailed up the river Humber in Sep 1069 and captured York by storm[1413]: Orderic Vitalis records that “Rodbertus Ricardi filius Eboracensis præsidii custos” was killed, that “Marius Suenus, Gaius Patricius, Edgarus Adelinus, Archillus et quatuor filii Karoli” attacked “munitionem regis in Eboraco”, and that “Willelmus cognomento Maletus, præses castrensis regi” announced to the king that he would be forced to withdraw unless reinforcements were sent, dated to 1069[1414]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Suenus rex Danorum” sent a fleet led by “duos...filios suos et Osbernum fratrem suum” to attack England, that they were repulsed at Dover, Sandwich and Ipswich, and at Norwich by “Radulfus de Guader”, that they were joined by “Adelinus, Guallevus, Siguardus” but defeated on the Humber, entered York headed by “Guallevus...Gaius Patricius, Marius Suenus, Elnocinus, Archillus et quatuor filii Karoli” but were eventually expelled, dated to 1069, a later passage adding that “Guallevus præsens et Gaius Patricius absens” made peace with King William at the river Tees[1415]. In [Oct/Nov] 1072 old charges were brought against him and he was deprived of the earldom of Northumberland, fleeing to Scotland. Simeon of Durham records that he fled to Malcolm King of Scotland who granted him "Dunbar with the lands adjacent in Lothian"[1416].
     "m ---, sister of EDMUND, daughter of ---. Her family connection is confirmed by the charter dated Feb 1136 under which King Stephen confirmed the donation by "Gospatricio fr[atr]I Dolfini" of "terram Edmundi avunculi sui" and "terram Liolfi filii Uctredi"[1417]."
Med Lands cites:
[1411] Simeon of Durham, p. 558.
[1412] RH I, p. 59.
[1413] Chibnall, M. (ed. and trans.) The Ecclesiastical History of Orderic Vitalis (Oxford Medieval Texts, 1969-80), Vol. II, Book IV, pp. 223 and 227-29.
[1414] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber IV, V, pp. 187-8.
[1415] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber IV, V, pp. 190-3 and 197.
[1416] Simeon of Durham, p. 558.
[1417] Johnson, C. & Cronne, H. A. (ed.) (1968) Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum (Oxford), Vol. III, 373a, p. 144.5


; Per Weis: “Gospatric I, b. abt. 1040, d. 1074/75, Earl of Northumberland, 1067-1072, 1st Earl of Dunbar, 1072-1075, Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale, visited rome, 1061; name and parentage of wife unknown, but she had a bro., Edmund (or Eadmund). (CP IV:504, IX:704; SP III241-245; Surtees Soc., vol. 51; Dunbar 5).”.13 GAV-25 EDV-26. He was Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale.21 He was Earl of Northumberland between 1067 and 1072.15,6,7 He was 1st Earl of Dunbar between 1072 and 1075.15,6,7

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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 38-22, p. 41. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gospatric: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076164&tree=LEO
  17. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 26 August 2020), memorial page for Gospatric of Northumbria (1040–15 Dec 1074), Find a Grave Memorial no. 94763780, citing St Cuthbert Churchyard, Norham, Northumberland Unitary Authority, Northumberland, England; Maintained by Kat (contributor 47496397), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/94763780/gospatric-of_northumbria. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  18. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The House of Dunkeld: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
  19. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospatric,_Earl_of_Northumbria. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  20. [S2286] Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, online http://oxforddnb.com/index/, Gospatric, earl of Northumbria: https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/11110. Hereinafter cited as ODNB - Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.
  21. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 34-22, p. 37.
  22. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 187, NURTHUMBERLAND 3:i.
  23. [S661] Compiled by Gary Boyd Roberts, Ancestors of American Presidents, First Authoritative Edition (n.p.: Carl Boyer, 3rd, Santa Clarita, California, 1995, 1995), p. 185.
  24. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gunnilda of Northumberland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00288726&tree=LEO
  25. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#GunhildaMOrm
  26. [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 12: Scotland: Kings until the accession of Robert Bruce. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
  27. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Athelreda: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076165&tree=LEO
  28. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#EthereldaMDuncanIIIScotland
  29. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Waltheof, Lord of Allerdale: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106717&tree=LEO
  30. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 187, NURTHUMBERLAND 3:ii.

Elgiva/Alfgifu (?) of Wessex1,2,3

F, #10189
FatherAethelred II "The UnraedRedeless" (?) The Redeless1,2,3,4,5,6 b. c 968, d. 23 Apr 1016
MotherElgiva/Aelfgifu/Elfreda (?)2,3,4,7 b. bt 963 - 970, d. Feb 1002
ReferenceGAV27 EDV28
Last Edited16 Dec 2020
     Elgiva/Alfgifu (?) of Wessex married Uchtred 'the Bold' (?) 5th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria, son of Waltheof (?) 4th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria, between 1009 and 1016
;
His 3ed wife.8,9,10,11,2,4,12,13
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Burke's Guide to the Royal Family London, 1973 , Reference: 190
2. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales Edinburgh, 1977., Gerald Paget, Reference: I 166
3. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to Amercia bef.1700 7th Edition, Frederick Lewis Weis, Reference: 37.3 GAV-27 EDV-28 GKJ-29. Elgiva/Alfgifu (?) of Wessex was also known as Alfgifu (Elgiva) (?)

.14,8

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 74, ENGLAND 19. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Cerdic 2 page (The House of Cerdic): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/cerdic2.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elgiva/Alfgifu of Wessex: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108329&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1842] Dorothy Dunnett, King Hereafter (New York: Vintage Books (Random House), 1982 (Oct. 1998)), Appendix chart: Kings of Scotland (Alba) and Earls of Northumberland (England). Hereinafter cited as Dunnett (1982) King Hereafter.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aethelred II 'the Unready': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020112&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20&%20Danish%20Kings.htm#AethelredIIdied1016B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elfgiva: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020113&tree=LEO
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 34-20, p. 37. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Swinton Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  10. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 482 (Chart 32). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uchtred: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108326&tree=LEO
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uchtred: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108326&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.htm#UhtredNorthumbriadied1016.
  14. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 38-22, p. 41: "...a sister of Edmund."
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ealdgyth of Northumberland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108331&tree=LEO
  16. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 34-21, p. 43.. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.htm#EaldgythNorthumbriaMMaldredAllerdale.

Hugues I (?) Comte de Maine1,2,3

M, #10190, b. circa 890, d. between 939 and 955
FatherRotger/Roger (?) Comte de Maine1,4,5,2,3,6,7 b. c 855, d. b 31 Oct 900
MotherRothilde (?) of Neustria, Princess of France, Countess of Bourges & of Maine b. c 871, d. 22 Mar 928; Rothilde does not appear in any document with Roger, but she appears as the mother of Roger's son Hugues.1,8,2,3,9
ReferenceGAV29
Last Edited7 Sep 2020
     Hugues I (?) Comte de Maine married Bilichilde (?), daughter of Gauzlin II (?) Comte du Maine.10
Hugues I (?) Comte de Maine was born circa 890.11,2
Hugues I (?) Comte de Maine died between 939 and 955; Genealogics says d. 939/955; Med Lands says d. 26 Mar 931-Sep 960.11,2
     ; Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "Les vicomtes de Brosse sont issus de Rothilde de Brosse (dès la première moitié du Xe siècle, apparaissent des seigneurs, ou châtelains, ou vicomtes de Brosse : Raoul, puis son fils Guy (Guy Raoul) qui semble le père de notre Rothilde ; la mère de cette dernière pourrait être une fille du comte Hugues du Maine, dont la mère était la princesse carolingienne Rothilde fille de Charles le Chauve ; en plus de Géraud de Limoges qui suit, Rothilde de Brosse aurait aussi épousé Archambaud de Comborn et Archambaud Ier de Bourbon), mariée vers 957 à Géraud Ier, vicomte de Limoges (v.900-v.986) (liste des vicomtes de Limoges), qui eut une nombreuse descendance par ses deux fils : - Gui, vicomte de Limoges après son père ; - et Aimeri « Ostefranc » (à l'origine de la branche des vicomtes de Rochechouart)."12

; This is the same person as ”Hugues I” at The Henry Project.3

; Per Genealogics:
     "Hugues was the son of Rotger, comte de Maine, and Rothilde de France. He was count of Maine from 900 to his death. He succeeded his father in 900 and had to fight against the pretender to the countship of Maine, Gauzlin II. They made peace, and the names of some of Hugues' descendants suggest that the peace was concluded by a marriage between Hugues and a probable daughter of Gauzlin, for whom the name of Bilichilde has been suggested by some sources. They had four children of whom Hugues II is recorded with progeny.
     "In 914 the marriage occurred between Hugues' sister Judith and Hugues 'the Great', duke of The Franks, comte de Paris. Around 920 Charles III 'the Simple', king of France, withdrew the benefice of the Abbey of Chelles from Hugues' mother Rothilde in order to confer it on his favourite Hagano. This led to a revolt by some of the most powerful of the Frankish nobles who placed Robert I, father of Hugues 'the Great', on the throne as king of the Franks. Gradually Maine passed under the suzerainty of the duke of the Franks, and this suzerainty was confirmed by King Raoul, but Hugues was the first among the vassals of Hugues 'the Great'. Hugues died between 939 and 955.“.11 GAV-29.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 121.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 692.11

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [I] du Maine ([890]-[26 Mar 931/Sep 960]). Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks confirmed donations of property "in comitatu quoque Cœnomannico" made by "Hugo comes et mater sua Rothildis", at the request of "genitrix nostra Adeleidis et…comes Hugo consanguineus, necnon et…comes Ecfridus" by charter dated 1 Nov 900[86]. This presumably indicates that Hugues's father was already dead at the time, and that Hugues himself was still a minor under the guardianship of his mother. If his mother's origin is correctly identified as shown above, Hugues could have been no more than ten years old at the time. It is assumed that "comes Hugo consanguineus" and "Hugo comes…" named in this charter were the same person, although this is not beyond all doubt. If it is correct, the consanguinity would have been through Hugues's mother who was King Charles's paternal aunt as shown above. He succeeded his father in [900] as Comte du Maine. His parentage is further confirmed by the charter dated 3 May 929 under which Hugues, future duc des Francs, returned property to Saint-Martin de Tours, subscribed by "Hugonis comitis filii Rotgerii comitis"[87]. Flodoard records that in 924 Raoul King of France granted Maine to "Hugoni filio Rotberti"[88] who, as noted below, was married to the sister of Hugues [I] Comte du Maine. It is not known whether this grant resulted in Comte Hugues [I] being temporarily dispossessed, or whether the appointment amounted to replacing Hugues (future Duc des Francs) as suzerain over Maine instead of the king. The latter is more probable as Comte Hugues [I] subscribed the charter of [Duc] Hugues dated 929, which indicates a continuing relationship between the two. ["Willelmi comitis, Hugoni comitis, item Hugoni, Savarici vicecomitis, Kadeloni vicecomitis, Adraldi vicecomitis, Radulfi vicecomitis…" subscribed the charter dated [936/37] ("anno I Ludovico regnante") under which "Senegundis" donated "alodem suum in pago Alienense, in vicaria Basiacinse in villa…Fornax…" to St Cyprien, Poitiers[89]. Settipani suggests that "Hugonis comitis" can reasonably identified as Hugues [I] Comte du Maine[90].] "Hugonis ducis, filiorum eius Othonis et Hugonis, Odonis comitis, Hugonis comitis Cenomannorum, Hervei comitis Mauritaniæ, Lamberti vicecomitis" subscribed the charter dated 25 Jun 954 under which "Lambertus filius Ansberti cum Girberga sorore mea…" donated property "in territorio Corbonensi" to Chartres Saint-Père[91]. "Teutbaldi comitis, Teutbaldi junioris, Gausfredi comitis, Hugonis comitis Cenomannorum…" subscribed the charter dated Sep 960 under which "Aremburgis" donated property to Saint-Florent de Saumur[92]. "Hugonis comitis Cenomannorum" in these two documents could either refer to Hugues [I] or Hugues [II].
     "m ---."
Med Lands cites:
[86] RHGF, Tome IX, p. 489.
[87] Latouche (1910), p. 15 footnote 4, quoting 'Catalogue des actes des évêques du Mans jusqu'à la fin du XIII siècle', Revue historique et archéologique du Maine, t. 63 (1908) 2, pp. 32-63 and 144-185.
[88] Flodoardi Annales 924, MGH SS III, p. 373.
[89] Poitiers Saint-Cyprien, 549, p. 325.
[90] Settipani (2004), p. 233.
[91] Chartres Saint-Père, Tome I, 73, p. 199.
[92] Latouche (1910), (1910), Pièces Justificatives 1, p. 161.2

; See attached image of a chart showing the descent of Hildegardis (who m. Geoffroy I, vicomte de Châteaudun), based on the work of Settipani [2000].10,13 He was Count of Maine, before 900-after 931 (after 939?) Between 900 and 931.14 He was living on 26 March 931; perhaps still alive 1 August 939.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177499&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MAINE.htm#RotgerMainedied900. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Hugues I: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/hugh0001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  4. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/rothi000.htm
  5. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_du_Maine. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  6. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Roger: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/roger000.htm
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rotger: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177498&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rothilde de France: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00148499&tree=LEO
  9. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Rothilde: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/rothi000.htm
  10. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Hervé Ier de Mortagne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herv%C3%A9_Ier_de_Mortagne
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177499&tree=LEO
  12. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des vicomtes de Brosse: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_vicomtes_de_Brosse
  13. [S4756] Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leurs alliés," in Onomastique et Parenté dans l’Occident médiéval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and Christian Settipani, editor. (Linacre College, Oxford University: Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2000). Hereinafter cited as "Settipani [2000] Les vicomtes de Châteaudun."
  14. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Hugues I: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/hugh0001.htm
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177501&tree=LEO
  16. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Hugues II: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/hugh0002.htm

Uchtred 'the Bold' (?) 5th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria1,2,3

M, #10191, b. circa 970, d. 1016
FatherWaltheof (?) 4th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria4,5,6,7 d. a 1006
ReferenceGAV27 EDV28
Last Edited16 Dec 2020
     Uchtred 'the Bold' (?) 5th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria and Ecgfrida (?) were divorced.1 Uchtred 'the Bold' (?) 5th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria married Ecgfrida (?), daughter of Aldhun (?) Bishop of Chester-le-Street and Durham,
;
His 1st wife.1,2,4,7 Uchtred 'the Bold' (?) 5th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria married Sigen (?), daughter of Styr Ulfsson (?),
;
His 2nd wife.1,7 Uchtred 'the Bold' (?) 5th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria was born circa 970.4 He married Elgiva/Alfgifu (?) of Wessex, daughter of Aethelred II "The UnraedRedeless" (?) The Redeless and Elgiva/Aelfgifu/Elfreda (?), between 1009 and 1016
;
His 3ed wife.8,1,9,10,11,2,4,7
Uchtred 'the Bold' (?) 5th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria died circa 1016; murdered.9,10,11
Uchtred 'the Bold' (?) 5th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria died in 1016 at Wiheal; Per Burke's: "killed by Thurbrand Hold, a Dane, who had a feud with Styr Ulfsson, while on his way to do homage."12,1,4
      ; See the attached family tree of Rulers of Bamburgh (from Wikipedia)
Per Wikipedia:
     "From the destruction of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria by the Vikings in 867 to the early eleventh century, Bamburgh and the surrounding region (the former Bernicia), the northern part of Northumbria, was ruled for a short period by shadowy kings, then by a series of ealdormen (Latin duces, Old English eorl, modern English earl) and high-reeves (from Old English heah-gerefa). Several of these men ruled all Northumbria.
** King Egbert I (867–872)[1]
** King Ricsige (872/3–876) [1]
** King Egbert II (876–878 or after 883?)[1]
** Earl Eadwulf of Bamburgh (fl. c. 890 – 913), called 'king of the north Saxons' by the Annals of Ulster[2]
** Ealdred I of Bamburgh 913 – c. 933, father of Osulf I of Bamburgh[3][4]
** Æthelstan of England (c. 933 – 939), overlord of all Northumbria
** Adulf mcEtulfe (died 934), possibly 'Æthelwulf son of Eadwulf', named 'King of the Northern Saxons' by the Annals of Clonmacnoise.[5]
** Edmund I of England (939), possibly overlord of Northumbria
** Olaf Guthfrithson (939–941), possibly ruled all of Northumbria
** Amlaíb Cuarán (941–944), possibly ruled all of Northumbria
** Edmund I of England (944–946), possibly overlord of Northumbria
** Osulf I of Bamburgh (floruit 946–963) son of Ealdred I of Bamburgh
** Eadwulf I 'Evil-Child' of Bamburgh (floruit 963–973)
** Waltheof of Bamburgh[6] (floruit 994), son of Osulf I of Bamburgh
** Uhtred 'the Bold' of Northumbria (1006–16), ruled all Northumbria, son of Waltheof of Bamburgh
** Eadwulf II 'Cudel' of Bamburgh (died 1019), son of Waltheof of Bamburgh
** Ealdred II of Bamburgh (died 1038) son of Uhtred 'the Bold' of Northumbria
** Eadwulf III of Bamburgh (died 1041) son of Uhtred 'the Bold' of Northumbria
** Bernicia united to the rest of Northumbria during this period (1041–65).
** Osulf II of Bamburgh (1065–67) son of Eadwulf III of Bamburgh
** Bernicia united to the rest of Northumbria after 1067.
Notes
1. Rollason, David (2003). Northumbria, 500-1100: Creation and Destruction of a Kingdom. Cambridge University Press. p. 249. ISBN 0 521 81335 2.
2. Rollason, pp. 213, 249
3. Rollason, p. 213
4. Hudson, Benjamin T. (2004). "Ealdred (d. 933?), leader of the Northumbrians". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/39225. Retrieved 25 August 2013.(subscription or UK public library membership required)
5. McGuigan, Neil (2015). "Ælla and the descendants of Ivar: politics and legend in the Viking Age". Northern History. 52 (1): 20–34. doi:10.1179/0078172X14Z.00000000075. Retrieved 7 June 2015.
6. For Waltheof II, see Waltheof, Earl of Northumbria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltheof,_Earl_of_Northumbria."13 He was 5th Lord of Bamburgh.1

; Per Burke's: UHTRED, 5th Ld of Bamburgh, given his f's Earldom of Bernicia 1006 by ETHELRED II after a successful war against the Scots, during which the aged Waltheof remained at Bamburgh, while Uhtred relieved Durham, which Aldhun the Bishop was holding against MALCOLM II. The King also gave him Deira, which since the time of his grandfather Oswulf had been held by Oslac (963-975 depr.) Thored Gunnerson (979-993), and Elfhelm who was k 1006. Thus Uhtred was Earl of all Northumbria (1006-1016); m 1st, Ecgfrida (div. and became a nun), dau of Aldhun, Bp Chester-le-Street c 990, and of Durham 995-1018, and had issue. He m 2nd, Sige, dau of Styr Ulfsson and by her had issue. He m 3rd, Elfgufu, dau of ETHELRED II the Unready,and sis of EDMUND II, Ironside, and half-sister to EDWARD the Confessor, and was k 1016, by Thurbrand Hold, a Dane, who had a feud with Styr Ulfsson, while on his way to do homage to KING CANUTE, having by her had issue."1

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales Edinburgh, 1977., Gerald Paget, Reference: I 166.
2. Bloodfeud, Murder and Revenge in Anglo-Saxon England London, 2002, Fletcher, Richard. 39.4


; Per Med Lands:
     "UHTRED, son of WALTHEOF Earl of Northumbria & his wife --- (-murdered 1016). Simeon of Durham records that "his son Uchtred" succeeded "the elder Walthef" in Northumbria, stating that he was killed by "a powerful Dane Thurbrand surnamed Hold with the consent of Cnut"[418]. Earl of Northumbria. Inquisitions by "David…Cumbrensis regionis princeps", dated 1124, concerning land owned by the church of Glasgow, refer to donations by "Uchtred filius Waldef…"[419]. "Uhtred dux" subscribed charters of King Æthelred II dated 1009 to 1015[420]. He defeated a Scottish army which had besieged Durham in 1006. After the invasion of Svend King of Denmark in 1013, Earl Uhtred submitted to him[421]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that he was murdered on the orders of Eadric "Streona"[422]. Stenton refers to "northern sources of the Norman age" which show that the chief agent of the murder was Thurbrand, who was in turn killed by Uhtred's son Ealdred[423], presumably referring to Simeon of Durham quoted above. King Canute appointed Erik Haakonson Jarl in Norway as Earl of Northumbria after Uhtred's death.
     "m firstly (repudiated) as her first husband, ECGFRIDA, daughter of ALDUN Bishop of Durham & his wife --- (----, bur Durham). Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records the marriage of "Cospatric's son…Ucthred" (although from the context "Cospatric" appears to be an error for "Waltheof") and "Bishop Aldun…his daughter…Ecgfrida" and her repudiation by her husband, following which Uhtred married "the daughter of a rich citizen…Styr the son of Ulf…Sigen"[424]. Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records Ecgfrida's second marriage to "a certain thane in Yorkshire…Kilvert the son of Ligulf" and "their daughter Sigrida…wife of Arkil the son of Ecgfrid" whose son was "Cospatric…[who married] the daughter of Dolfin the son of Tolfin, by whom he begot Cospatric who of late ought to have fought with Waltheof the son of Eilaf", her repudiation by her second husband, her taking the veil, and her burial at Durham[425].
     "m secondly SIGEN, daughter of STYR Ulfsson & his wife ---. Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records the marriage of "Cospatric's son…Ucthred" (although from the context "Cospatric" appears to be an error for "Waltheof") and "the daughter of a rich citizen…Styr the son of Ulf…Sigen"[426].
     "m thirdly ([1009/16]) ÆLFGIFU, daughter of ÆTHELRED II King of England & his first wife Ælflæd ---. Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records the third marriage of "Cospatric's son…Ucthred" (although from the context "Cospatric" appears to be an error for "Waltheof") and "king Ethelred…his…daughter Elfgiva"[427]. She is named as daughter of King Æthelred by Roger of Hoveden, when he records her marriage[428]. Her marriage date is estimated on the assumption that it is unlikely that she would have been married before her older sister Eadgyth."
Med Lands cites:
[418] Simeon of Durham, p. 556.
[419] Lawrie, A. C. (1905) Early Scottish Charters, Prior to A.D. 1153 (Maclehose) L, p. 46.
[420] S 921, S 922, S 926, S 931, S 931b, S 933 and S 934.
[421] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, E, 1013.
[422] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, C, 1016.
[423] Stenton (2001), p. 390.
[424] Simeon of Durham, p. 765.
[425] Simeon of Durham, p. 766.
[426] Simeon of Durham, p. 765.
[427] Simeon of Durham, p. 766.
[428] Roger of Hoveden I, p. 59.7


; Per Wikipedia: "Bernard Cornwell was inspired to write his series The Saxon Stories after learning he was a descendent of Uhtred the Bold, who is the inspiration behind the series protagonist Lord Uhtred of Bebbanburg."
See: https://web.archive.org/web/20140622142945/http://emertainmentmonthly.com/2014/01/31/bernard-cornwell-talks-the-pagan-lord-the-challenges-of-historical-fiction-and-future-plans/.3
Uchtred 'the Bold' (?) 5th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria was also known as Uhtred 'the Bold' (?) 5th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria.

; Per DNB: Uhtred, earl of Bamburgh (d. 1016)
William M. Aird https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/27981
Published in print: 23 September 2004Published online: 23 September 2004
     "Uhtred, earl of Bamburgh (d. 1016), magnate, was the son of Waltheof (fl. c.994–1006) and an unknown mother. Waltheof was probably the son of Eadwulf, the son of Oswulf (d. 966), the son of Ealdred of Bamburgh (d. 933?); the family had ruled Bernicia (Northumbria north of the Tyne) since the Scandinavian invasion and settlement of the late ninth century. The northern part of their earldom (Lothian) was ceded to the Scots, probably by 973. Uhtred, together with the entire population of the land lying between the rivers Tees and Coquet, assisted Aldhun, bishop of the Community of St Cuthbert, in clearing the site at Durham and relocating the episcopal see from Chester-le-Street in 995. According to the De obsessione Dunelmi, a Durham tract on the history of the earldom of Northumbria, the principal theme of which was the right of Durham to certain estates, Uhtred married Aldhun's daughter, Ecgfrida, probably at about this time. The marriage brought Uhtred certain vills of the church of St Cuthbert, namely Barmpton, Skirningham, Elton, Carlton, School Aycliffe, and Monk Hesleden in the south of co. Durham. This marriage has been seen as part of the church of St Cuthbert's policy of recruiting allies, although the earl would also have gained from an alliance with this powerful ecclesiastical institution. Uhtred was to retain control of these vills as long as he lived honourably in marriage with Ecgfrida.
     "During an attack on Durham by Malcolm II, king of Scots, Uhtred's father, Waltheof, described as being of great age and thus unable to lead the counter-attack, shut himself up in the fortress at Bamburgh, leaving the resistance to the Scots to his son, whom the De obsessione describes as a young man of great energy and skilled in warfare. Leading a force composed of troops from both Bernicia and York, Uhtred defeated the Scots. The severed heads of the Scots were washed by women, who received payment of a cow each, and fixed on stakes to Durham's walls. Uhtred's victory brought him to the attention of Æthelred II who recognized him as earl even though Waltheof seems still to have been alive, adding the earldom of York in succession to the Mercian Ælfhelm. The king's grant effectively reunited the two parts of Northumbria under the earls of Bamburgh. In this respect Uhtred may have been seen as a political counterweight to the Scandinavians at York who may still have harboured thoughts of a separate Scandinavian-dominated north.
     "On his return from Æthelred's court, probably about 1006, Uhtred dismissed Ecgfrida and Bishop Aldhun recovered the aforementioned vills. Uhtred then married Sige, daughter of Styr, son of Ulf, in an attempt to bolster his power in the southern portion of his combined earldom by uniting with the leader of Æthelred's supporters in York. According to the De obsessione, the marriage was contracted on the understanding that Uhtred would kill Styr's enemy Thurbrand. Similarly, the marriage of Uhtred's first wife, Ecgfrida, to Kilvert, son of the Yorkshire thegn Ligulf, may also have been an attempt by Uhtred's ally, Aldhun, to establish political support in Yorkshire. Shortly after Swein Forkbeard's invasion in 1013, Uhtred and the northern nobles submitted to the Danish king. It seems that Æthelred was successful in recovering Uhtred's loyalty, possibly through the latter's marriage to his daughter Ælfgifu. Uhtred remained faithful to the West Saxon cause despite Cnut's promise of substantial rewards, and accompanied Edmund Ironside on campaign in Staffordshire, Cheshire, and Shrewsbury against Eadric Streona. Cnut replied by invading Northumbria, forcing Uhtred to submit. Summoned to Cnut's court and granted safe conduct, Uhtred was murdered by Thurbrand Hold, presumably that enemy of Styr. Forty of Uhtred's men were slaughtered with him at Wiheal, identified as Wighill, near Tadcaster, in Yorkshire. Although a comparatively late source puts Uhtred at the battle of Carham leading the English to defeat by the Scots in 1018, it is now generally accepted that this was an error and that his death occurred in 1016.
     "Uhtred was succeeded at Bamburgh by his brother Eadulf Cudel 'a very lazy and cowardly man' (Symeon of Durham, Opera, 1.218), and at York by Erik, son of Hákon, jarl of Hlathir (Trondheim). Uhtred had two sons: Ealdred, his son with Ecgfrida, succeeded Eadulf Cudel as earl; Eadulf, his son with Sige, succeeded Ealdred. His daughter with Ælfgifu, Ealdgyth, married Maldred, son of Crinan, and their son, Cospatric, also became earl. Uhtred's murder at the hands of Thurbrand Hold initiated a series of killings involving the two families which continued into the 1070s.
Sources
** Symeon of Durham, Opera
** C. R. Hart, The early charters of northern England and the north midlands (1975)
** ASC, s.a. 1013, 1016
** John of Worcester, Chron.
** B. Meehan, ‘The siege of Durham, the battle of Carham and the cession of Lothian’,
** SHR, 55 (1976), 1–19
** W. E. Kapelle, The Norman conquest of the north: the region and its transformation, 1000–1135 (1979)
** C. J. Morris, Marriage and murder in eleventh-century Northumbria: a study of De obsessione Dunelmi, Borthwick Papers, 82 (1992)
** M. K. Lawson, Cnut: the Danes in England in the early eleventh century (1993)
** A. Williams, The English and the Norman conquest (1995)
** A. Campbell, ed. and trans., Encomium Emmae reginae,
** CS, 3rd ser., 72 (1949)
** S. Keynes, The diplomats of Æthelred II (1980.)14 " GAV-27 EDV-28 GKJ-29.

; This person is the same as Uhtred the Bold on Wikipedia.3 He was Earl of Bernicia in 1006.1 He was Earl of all Northumbria between 1006 and 1016.1

Family 1

Sigen (?)

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Swinton Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1842] Dorothy Dunnett, King Hereafter (New York: Vintage Books (Random House), 1982 (Oct. 1998)), Appendix chart: Kings of Scotland (Alba) and Earls of Northumberland (England). Hereinafter cited as Dunnett (1982) King Hereafter.
  3. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uhtred_the_Bold. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uchtred: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108326&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Waltheof: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00435084&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.htm#UhtredNorthumbriadied1016A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.htm#UhtredNorthumbriadied1016.
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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 34-20, p. 37. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 482 (Chart 32). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uchtred: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108326&tree=LEO
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Cerdic 2 page (The House of Cerdic): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/cerdic2.html
  12. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 34-20, p. 37: "...murdered 1016."
  13. [S1593] Kelsey J. Williams, "Williams email 24 Feb 2004 "Re: Kuman lines into European( and other )Royalty"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 16 Feb 2004, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rulers_of_Bamburgh. Hereinafter cited as "Williams email 16 Feb 2004."
  14. [S2286] Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, online http://oxforddnb.com/index/, https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-27981;jsessionid=2981D3859443B28108132F3A99B66418. Hereinafter cited as ODNB - Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ealdred: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108324&tree=LEO
  16. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ealdgyth of Northumberland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108331&tree=LEO
  18. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 34-21, p. 43.. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  19. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.htm#EaldgythNorthumbriaMMaldredAllerdale.

Ealdgyth (Edith) (?) of Northumberland1,2,3,4

F, #10192
FatherUchtred 'the Bold' (?) 5th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria5,6,2,7,8,4,3 b. c 970, d. 1016
MotherElgiva/Alfgifu (?) of Wessex2,4,3
ReferenceGAV26 EDV27
Last Edited16 Dec 2020
     Ealdgyth (Edith) (?) of Northumberland married Maldred I MacCrinan (?) Lord of Carlisle & Allerdale, Regent of Strathclyde, son of Crinán "the Thane" (?) mórmaer of Atholl, Abbot of Dunkeld and Bethóc (Beatrix) (?) of Scotland, between 1030 and 1040.9,10,11,6,12,3

      ; Per Burke's: "Aldgyth; m Maldred of Atterdale (k perhaps in battle, 1045), 2nd s, by Bethoc, dau of MALCOLM II, of Crinan, Thane of Dull, Heritable Abbot of Dunkeld and Seneschal of the Isles, and bro of KING DUNCAN, and had issue“.10

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. I 166.2 GAV-26 EDV-27 GKJ-28. Ealdgyth (Edith) (?) of Northumberland was also known as Aldgyth.10

; Per Med Lands:
     "EALDGYTH [Ælfgifu] (1016 or before-). Simeon of Durham names "Algiva daughter of earl Uchtred [and] of Algiva daughter of king Agelred" when recording that her father arranged her marriage to "Maldred the son of Crinan"[461], although her father was long since dead when she married. She is named as daughter of Uhtred and Elgiva by Roger of Hoveden, who also names her husband and his father[462].
     "m ([before 1040]) MALDRED Lord of Allerdale, Regent of Strathclyde, son of CRINAN "the Thane" Mormaer of Atholl [Scotland] & his wife Bethoc of Scotland Lady of Atholl (-[killed in battle 1045])."
Med Lands cites:
[461] Simeon of Durham, p. 558.
[462] Roger of Hoveden I, p. 59.3


; Per Weis Entry #1: “Ealdgyth (Aldgitha); m. Maldred (172-20), slain in Battle, 1045, Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale (bro. of Duncan I Mac Crinan (170-20), son of Crinan the Thane, Lay Abbot of Dunkeld, and Bethoc (Beatrix) (170-19), dau. of Malcolm II (170-18) King of Scots. (CP IV:504, IX:704; SP III:239-241; Archibald H. Dunbar, Scottish Kings, 1005-1625, 2nd Edition (1906), 4-5).”

Per Weis Entry #2: “Maldred (brother of Duncan I Mac Crinan (170-20) King of Scots), slain in battle 1045, Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale; m. Ealdgytfh (Aldgitha) (34-21), granddau. of Aethelred II (1-18), the Redeless, King of England. (CP IV:504, IX:704; SP III:240-241; Dunbar 4, 280)."13,14

; Per Med Lands:
     "MALDRED, son of CRINAN "the Thane" Mormaer of Atholl [Scotland] & his wife Bethoc of Scotland Lady of Atholl (-killed in battle [1045]). He is named son of Crinan by Roger of Hoveden[1394]. Lord of Allerdale. Regent of Strathclyde 1034/35.
     "m ([before 1040]) EALDGYTH [Ælfgifu], daughter and heiress of UHTRED Earl of Northumbria & his third wife Ælfgifu of England (1016 or before-). Simeon of Durham names "Algiva daughter of earl Uchtred [and] of Algiva daughter of king Agelred" when recording that her father arranged her marriage to "Maldred the son of Crinan"[1395], although her father was long since dead when she married. Named daughter of Uhtred and Elgiva by Roger of Hoveden, who also names her husband and his father[1396]."
Med Lands cites:
[1394] RH I, p. 59.
[1395] Stevenson, J. (trans.) (1855) The Historical Works of Simeon of Durham (London) ("Simeon of Durham"), p. 558.
[1396] RH I, p. 59.15


; Per Genealogy.EU (Dunkeld): “A2. Maldred, Lord of Allerdale and Regent of Strathclyde, +k.a.Morayshire 1045; m. Edith, dau.of Uhtred, Earl of Northumbria”.16

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 187, NURTHUMBERLAND 2. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ealdgyth of Northumberland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108331&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.htm#EaldgythNorthumbriaMMaldredAllerdale. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 34-21, p. 43.. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
  6. [S1842] Dorothy Dunnett, King Hereafter (New York: Vintage Books (Random House), 1982 (Oct. 1998)), Appendix chart: Kings of Scotland (Alba) and Earls of Northumberland (England). Hereinafter cited as Dunnett (1982) King Hereafter.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uchtred: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108326&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.htm#UhtredNorthumbriadied1016.
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 34-21, p. 37; 247-20, p. 220. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Swinton Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  11. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 187, NORTHUMBERLAND 2.
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maldred, Lord of Allerdale, Regent of Strathclyde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108330&tree=LEO
  13. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Entry #1: Line 34-21, p. 43.
  14. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Entry #2: Line 172-20, p. 164.
  15. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#Maldreddied1045B
  16. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gospatric, Earl of Northumberland, 'Earl of Dunbar': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076164&tree=LEO
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  19. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 247-22, p. 220.
  20. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maldred: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164993&tree=LEO

Maldred I MacCrinan (?) Lord of Carlisle & Allerdale, Regent of Strathclyde1,2,3,4,5

M, #10193, b. before 1009, d. 1045
FatherCrinán "the Thane" (?) mórmaer of Atholl, Abbot of Dunkeld6,3,7,4,8,5,9 b. 970, d. 1045
MotherBethóc (Beatrix) (?) of Scotland b. c 975, d. 1045; per Henry Project: "Maldred was almost certainly a son of Crínán, but there is no direct evidence whether or not Bethóc was Maldred's mother. See the page on Crínán for further details and for the documentation on Bethóc."6,3,7,10,4,5,9
ReferenceGAV26 EDV27
Last Edited16 Dec 2020
     Maldred I MacCrinan (?) Lord of Carlisle & Allerdale, Regent of Strathclyde was born before 1009 at Dunbar, East Lothian, England.11,4 He married Ealdgyth (Edith) (?) of Northumberland, daughter of Uchtred 'the Bold' (?) 5th Lord of Bamburgh, Earl of Northumbria and Elgiva/Alfgifu (?) of Wessex, between 1030 and 1040.12,6,13,7,4,14

Maldred I MacCrinan (?) Lord of Carlisle & Allerdale, Regent of Strathclyde died in 1045; Boyer (2001, p. 187, NURTHUMBERLAND 2): "probably slain in battle in 1045 while trying to avenge the murder of his brother Duncan I MacCrinan."15,13,16,4,5
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "EALDGYTH [Ælfgifu] (1016 or before-). Simeon of Durham names "Algiva daughter of earl Uchtred [and] of Algiva daughter of king Agelred" when recording that her father arranged her marriage to "Maldred the son of Crinan"[461], although her father was long since dead when she married. She is named as daughter of Uhtred and Elgiva by Roger of Hoveden, who also names her husband and his father[462].
     "m ([before 1040]) MALDRED Lord of Allerdale, Regent of Strathclyde, son of CRINAN "the Thane" Mormaer of Atholl [Scotland] & his wife Bethoc of Scotland Lady of Atholl (-[killed in battle 1045])."
Med Lands cites:
[461] Simeon of Durham, p. 558.
[462] Roger of Hoveden I, p. 59.14
He was Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale.17

; Per Genealogics:
     "Maldred was the son of Crinán the Thane, of Northumberland. He married Ealdgyth of Northumberland, daughter of Uchtred, earl of Northumberland, and Elgiva/Alfgifu of Wessex, a daughter of Aethelred II 'the Unready', king of England. Maldred of Allerdale held the title of Lord of Cumbria and was regent of Strathclyde. It is said that the earls of Dunbar descend from him in unbroken male line. Maldred was killed in battle in 1045."4 GAV-26 EDV-27 GKJ-28.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. I 166
     2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 2:89.4

; Per Med Lands:
     "MALDRED, son of CRINAN "the Thane" Mormaer of Atholl [Scotland] & his wife Bethoc of Scotland Lady of Atholl (-killed in battle [1045]). He is named son of Crinan by Roger of Hoveden[1394]. Lord of Allerdale. Regent of Strathclyde 1034/35.
     "m ([before 1040]) EALDGYTH [Ælfgifu], daughter and heiress of UHTRED Earl of Northumbria & his third wife Ælfgifu of England (1016 or before-). Simeon of Durham names "Algiva daughter of earl Uchtred [and] of Algiva daughter of king Agelred" when recording that her father arranged her marriage to "Maldred the son of Crinan"[1395], although her father was long since dead when she married. Named daughter of Uhtred and Elgiva by Roger of Hoveden, who also names her husband and his father[1396]."
Med Lands cites:
[1394] RH I, p. 59.
[1395] Stevenson, J. (trans.) (1855) The Historical Works of Simeon of Durham (London) ("Simeon of Durham"), p. 558.
[1396] RH I, p. 59.5


; Per Genealogy.EU (Dunkeld): “A2. Maldred, Lord of Allerdale and Regent of Strathclyde, +k.a.Morayshire 1045; m. Edith, dau.of Uhtred, Earl of Northumbria”.18

; Per Weis Entry #1: “Ealdgyth (Aldgitha); m. Maldred (172-20), slain in Battle, 1045, Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale (bro. of Duncan I Mac Crinan (170-20), son of Crinan the Thane, Lay Abbot of Dunkeld, and Bethoc (Beatrix) (170-19), dau. of Malcolm II (170-18) King of Scots. (CP IV:504, IX:704; SP III:239-241; Archibald H. Dunbar, Scottish Kings, 1005-1625, 2nd Edition (1906), 4-5).”

Per Weis Entry #2: “Maldred (brother of Duncan I Mac Crinan (170-20) King of Scots), slain in battle 1045, Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale; m. Ealdgytfh (Aldgitha) (34-21), granddau. of Aethelred II (1-18), the Redeless, King of England. (CP IV:504, IX:704; SP III:240-241; Dunbar 4, 280)."19,20 He was Regent of Strathclyde: [Ashley, pp. 378-379] MALDRED regent of Strathclyde, 1034-45. Maldred was the younger brother of DUNCAN. When Duncan inherited the throne of Scotland in 1034 his son Malcolm (MALCOLM III) was too young to rule Strathclyde as heir, so Maldred served as regent. Maldred's support to Duncan was vital in the early years of his reign when the Northumbrians, under Earl Eadulf, sought to reclaim the territory in Bernicia and Lothian that MALCOLM II had claimed. The Northumbrians also ravaged Strathclyde, but Maldred succeeded in repulsing them. This happened during 1038. It was probably at this time that Maldred sought to unite his family with the Northumbrians by marrying Edith, the half-sister of Eadulf. Their son, Gospatrick, became earl of Northumbria sometime around 1068, and also styled himself king of Cumbria. When Duncan was killed in 1040, Maldred would have had a claim on the throne, but he seems not to have sought it. Instead he allied himself with Siward, earl of Northumbria, as guardians of the infant Malcolm. Maldred had to face an onslaught from THORFINN, earl of Orkney, who sent his forces south in 1042 against Crinan (Maldred's father) and plundered parts of Strathclyde and Cumbria. Thorfinn was eventually rebuffed by the forces of Maldred and Siward. Maldred seems to have died in 1045 alongside his father Crinan in a rebellion against MACBETH at Dunkeld. between 1034 and 1045.21

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 187, NURTHUMBERLAND 2. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 225, SCOTLAND 21:ii.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maldred, Lord of Allerdale, Regent of Strathclyde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108330&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#Maldreddied1045B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Swinton Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  7. [S1842] Dorothy Dunnett, King Hereafter (New York: Vintage Books (Random House), 1982 (Oct. 1998)), Appendix chart: Kings of Scotland (Alba) and Earls of Northumberland (England). Hereinafter cited as Dunnett (1982) King Hereafter.
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#Crinandied1045
  9. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 172-20, p. 164.. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  10. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/betho000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maldred: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108330&tree=LEO
  12. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 34-21, p. 37; 247-20, p. 220. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  13. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 187, NORTHUMBERLAND 2.
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.htm#EaldgythNorthumbriaMMaldredAllerdale.
  15. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 34-21, p. 37: "slain in battle."
  16. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick2.html
  17. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 34-21, p. 37.
  18. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
  19. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Entry #1: Line 34-21, p. 43.
  20. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Entry #2: Line 172-20, p. 164.
  21. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), pp. 396, 378-379. Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  22. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gospatric, Earl of Northumberland, 'Earl of Dunbar': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076164&tree=LEO
  23. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#GospatrickDunbardied1075B
  24. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Line 34-21, p. 43.
  25. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 247-22, p. 220.
  26. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maldred: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164993&tree=LEO

Gilbert Fitz Roger Fitz Reinfrid 4th Baron Kendal1,2

M, #10194, d. before 13 June 1220
FatherRoger Fitz Reinfrid Lord of Kendal3
ReferenceGAV23 EDV22
Last Edited9 Mar 2020
     Gilbert Fitz Roger Fitz Reinfrid 4th Baron Kendal married Rohaise de Rumare circa 1156
;
His 1st wife(?). Weis [1992:87] shows this marriage but it does not appear in Weis [2004:94-95].2,4,3 Gilbert Fitz Roger Fitz Reinfrid 4th Baron Kendal married Hawise (Helwise) de Lancaster Baroness Kendal, daughter of William II de Lancaster 6th Baron Kendall and Hawise (Helewise) de Stuteville, before 20 July 1189.5,6,2,7

Gilbert Fitz Roger Fitz Reinfrid 4th Baron Kendal died before 13 June 1220; Weis [1992:87] says d. bef 12 Jun 1220; Genealogics says d. 1219; Med lands says d. 1216/20.3,2,7
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "GILBERT FitzRoger FitzReinfrid (-[1216/20]). Henry II King of England granted "filiam Willelmi de Lancastre cum tota hæreditate sua" to "Gilleberto filio Rogeri filii Rainfridi, dapifero nostro" by charter dated to [1184/89][381]. Lord of Kendal. “Gilbertus filius Rogeri filii Raifrai” confirmed “totam meam partem d’Aitlerdale et totam laudum d’Iaukesite” to “Gilberto de Lancastre” by charter dated to [1189/96], witnessed by “...Lamberto de Bussai...”[382]. Richard I King of England exempted "Gileberto filio Rogeri filii Reinfredi" from neatgeld or cornage in "totam terram suam de Westmeriland et de Kendale" by charter dated 15 Apr 1190[383]. King John confirmed "tota terra sua de Westmoriland et de Kendal" to "G. fil Rog filii Reinfr" by charter dated 25 Apr 1200[384]. “Gilbertus filius Reinfredi et Elewisa uxor eius” donated various churches to Wetherhal priory by undated charter[385]. The Testa de Nevill includes a writ of King John dated 1212 which records "Gilbertus filius Reinfridi" holding "feudum unius militis" in Lancashire, adding that "Willelmus de Lanc" had granted "in maritagium v caricatas terre in duobus Eccliston et in Lairbrec"[386]. "Gilebertus fil Reinfr" made a fine for the release of "Willelmus de Lancastr filius suus et Rad de Aencurt et Lambertus de Busay milites sui…qui capti sunt in castro Roffens", naming "…filius primogenitus Rogeri de Kirkeby que habit de filia eiusdem Gilberti fil Reinfr, filium et heredum Willelmi de Windlesor que habit de nepte eiusdem Gilebert…" among the hostages which were given, dated 1216[387].
     "m ([1184/89]) HAWISE de Lancaster, daughter of WILLIAM [II] de Lancaster & his wife Helwise de Stuteville. An undated manuscript relating to Cockersand Abbey, Lancashire names “Helewisia” as daughter of “Willielmus de Lancaster secundus” and his wife, adding that she married ”Gilbert filium Raynfridi”[388]. Henry II King of England granted "filiam Willelmi de Lancastre cum tota hæreditate sua" to "Gilleberto filio Rogeri filii Rainfridi, dapifero nostro" by charter dated to [1184/89][389]. A charter of King Henry II names “Helewisam” as daughter of “Willielmum secundum” and his wife “Helewisam de Stuteville”, adding that she married “Gilberto filio Rogeri filii Reynfredi”[390]. “Gilbertus filius Reinfredi et Elewisa uxor eius” donated various churches to Wetherhal priory by undated charter[391].
     "Gilbert & his wife had [six] children"
Med Lands cites:
[381] Farrer (1902), Lancashire Chartulary, Series XVI, Charter V, p. 395.
[382] Ragg ‘De Lancaster’ (1910), Charter IV, p. 432.
[383] Farrer (1902), Lancashire Chartulary, Series XVI, Charter VI, p. 396.
[384] Rotuli Chartarum, 1 John, p. 50.
[385] Wetherhal, 209, p. 337.
[386] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 206.
[387] Rotuli de Oblatis et Finibus, 17/18 John, p. 570.
[388] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Cokersand Abbey, Lancashire VI, p. 909.
[389] Farrer (1902), Lancashire Chartulary, Series XVI, Charter V, p. 395.
[390] Dugdale Monasticon V, Furness Abbey, Lancashire, X, p. 248.
[391] Wetherhal, 209, p. 337.7


Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. 87.
2. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard. 313.2
He was 4th Baron Kendal.8

Reference:      Weis [1992:84 & 37]. Lines 88-25 and 34-24
     Genealogics cites:
1. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. Page 87.
2. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard. 313.9,2
GAV-23 EDV-22 GKJ-22. He was Steward to Henry II, in France between 1180 and 1189.3 He was Justice of the King's Court in 1185.3 He was Lord of Kendall in 1189.3 He was Sheriff of Lancashire between 1205 and 1216.3 He was Sheriff of Yorkshire between 1209 and 1212.3

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 122, LANCASTER 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert FitzRoger FitzReinfrid: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00470451&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 88-27, p. 87. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  4. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 88--27, pp. 94-95. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  5. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Line 88--27.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hawise|Helwise de Lancaster: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00470452&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntlo.htm#GilbertFitzRogerdied1220. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 88-25, p. 87.
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 88-25, p. 87; line 34-24, p. 37.
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntlo.htm#AliceLancasterMWilliamLindsay

Hugh de Lacy Earl of Ulster1

M, #10195, d. before 26 December 1242
FatherHugh de Lacy1 b. c 1130, d. bt 25 Jul 1185 - 1186
MotherRohese de Monmouth1 b. bt 1135 - 1140
Last Edited2 Jan 2009
     Hugh de Lacy Earl of Ulster married Lesceline de Verdun, daughter of Bertram de Verdun Senechal of Ireland and Rohese (?), circa 1195
; his 1st wife.2,1 Hugh de Lacy Earl of Ulster married Emmeline de Riddleford, daughter of Walter de Ridelisford and Annora (?),
; his 2nd wife; her 1st husband.3,1,4
Hugh de Lacy Earl of Ulster died before 26 December 1242.1

Family 2

Emmeline de Riddleford b. 1223, d. bt 18 May 1275 - 19 Jul 1276

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugh de Lacy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106765&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lesceline de Verdun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00385435&tree=LEO
  3. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 31-27, p. 33. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emmeline de Ridelisford: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028347&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rohese de Lacy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00340658&tree=LEO

Renaud II/III (?) Cte de Clermont-en-Beauvais,1,2,3,4

M, #10196, b. circa 1090, d. between 1152 and 1153
FatherHugues II de Creil dit «de Mouchy» (?) Seigneur de Mouchy, Comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis2,4,5,6 b. c 1030, d. a Nov 1099
MotherMarguerite de Montdidier of Roucy3,2,4,5,7 b. c 1045, d. c 1110
ReferenceGAV23 EDV23
Last Edited27 Nov 2020
     Renaud II/III (?) Cte de Clermont-en-Beauvais, was born circa 1090.8 He married Adélaïde/Aelis de Vermandois comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy), daughter of Héribert IV/VI de Vermandois Comte de Vermandois et de Valois and Adèle/Adela/Adelais de Valois Comtesse de Valois, in 1103
;
Her 2nd husband; his 1st wife.9,10,11,2,4 Renaud II/III (?) Cte de Clermont-en-Beauvais, married Clémence/Clementia de Bar Comtesse de Dammartin, daughter of Renaud/Reinald I "One-Eyed/Le Borgne" (?) comte de Bar, Mousson and Gisele de Vaudémont, in 1135
;
Her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.12,2,4,13
Renaud II/III (?) Cte de Clermont-en-Beauvais, died between 1152 and 1153; Med Lands says d. 1152/53; Genealogics says d. bef 1162.12,2,9,4
     ; per Racines et Histoire: "Adélais (Adélaïde) de Vermandois ° 1065 + 28/09/1120/24 comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy (1080)
     ép. 1) après 1067 (1077, 1080 ?) Hugues «Le Maisné» de France, comte de Vermandois et de Valois (par sa femme), mène un contingent français à la 1ère Croisade (08/1096-1098 puis 03/1101) ° 1057 +X 18/10/1102 (de ses blessures à Tarsus, Cilicia, contre les Turcs) (fils d’Henri 1er, Roi de France, et d’Anna Yaroslavna de Kiev)
     ép. 2) 1103 Renaud de Clermont, comte de Vermandois et de Valois (par sa femme) + avant 1162 (fils d’Hugues de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, dit «de Mouchy», et de Marguerite de Roucy-Montdidier.)14 "

; Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “C6. [2m.] Clementia, *ca 1110, +after 20.1.1183; 1m: ca 1140 Cte Renaud II de Clermont (+ca 1162); 2m: Thibaut de Crepy”.15

; Per Racines et Histoire (Baf): “2) Clémence de Bar ° ~1110 + après 20/01/1183
     ép.1) ~1140 Renaud II, comte de Clermont-enBeauvaisis ° ~1075 + avant 1162 (fils d’Hugues de Clermont dit «de Mouchy» et de Marguerite de Montdidier)
     ép. 2) Thibaud III de Crépy , seigneur de NanteuilLe-Haudouin + avant 20/01/1183”.16
; Per Med Lands:
     "CLEMENCE de Bar ([1123/27]]-after 20 Jan 1183). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis records that "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" married "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[165]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites de Claromonte Belvacensi" as descended from "una…sorore eiusdem comitis [=comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[166]. Her birth date range is estimated based on the date of her parents' marriage. Renaud’s second wife would presumably have held the title “Ctss de Dammartin” through an earlier marriage to a comte de Dammartin. If she had been the daughter of a comte de Dammartin, she would not have borne the comital title. [“Radulfus Oysardi filius” donated property at Creil to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, and the nuns obtained the consent of "comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita", by charter dated to [1119][167]. The dating of this document is problematic: while the presence of Marguerite suggests that she was still unmarried, the date is inconsistent with the estimated birth date of Clémence. It should be noted that Mathon dates the consent given by Comte Renaud to [1153], although he does not state why he says this[168]. If that dating is correct, the witness would have been Renaud’s daughter Marguerite by his second marriage, although it is unclear why she would have been singled out for giving consent without her brothers and sisters.] Louis VII King of France confirmed what “episcopus Parisiensis et Guillelmus Lupus frater eius et comes Damni-Martini Renaudus cum uxore sua” donated to Chaalis “per concessum Adelizæ de Bulis et filiorum eius Lancelini...et fratrum suorum” and the donation of land “apud Hermenovillam et...moriens juxta Villam-novam” made by “Joscelinus de Damno-Martino”, by charter dated 1138[169]. The property the subject of the first-named donation is not specified in the charter. However, a possibly linked charter dated to [1137] records that “Willelmus Lupus Silvanectensis” donated “locum...in quo situm est cœnobium...[et] usum totius Espioniæ et Beeley”, with the support of “uxore mea Adelvia, filioque meo majore...Guidone” and sealed by “fratris mei Stephani Parisiensis episc.”[170]. The charter dated 1138 also provides a possible indication of Clémence’s family origin: the joint donation suggests a joint interest in the property donated, and so a connection with the family of the bouteillers de Senlis (to which Guillaume “le Loup” and his brother Etienne Bishop of Paris belonged). A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[171]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[172]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[173]. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[174]. Louis VII King of France confirmed an agreement between Eudes Prior of Saint-Denis and "Donni Martini comitissam Clementiam" who relinquished rights “in Trenbleio” by charter dated 1153[175]. Mathieu quotes a charter of Manassès Bishop of Meaux, dated to [1157], which records property first donated to Chaalis by “Domnimartini comitissa Clementia, laudante viro suo Renaldo de Clarimonte” as well as her donation of rights of way and use of wood “in omnia terra” belonging to “consulatum Domnimartini”[176]. “Clementia comitissa de Domno Martino cum liberis meis” renounced rights over “villa Trembliaco” after disputes between the abbey of Saint-Denis and “antecessores nostros comites de Dompno Martino”, litigated before “regis Ludovici”, by undated charter (dated to [1153/62]), witnessed by “Ansoldus de Claromonte et Petrus nepos eius, Galterus de Alneto...”[177]. [Duchesne states that Thibaut [III] de Nanteuil married “Clemence veuve de Renaut Comte de Clairmont en Beauvoisin” by whom he had three children, but does not cite the corresponding primary source[178]. The primary source which confirms this third marriage has not yet been identified, and from a chronological point of view it appears unlikely to be correct particularly as she is supposed to have had children by her third husband.]
     "m firstly --- Comte de Dammartin, son of ---.
     "m secondly ([1135]) as his second wife, RENAUD Comte de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis], son of HUGUES de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Montdidier (-[1152/53]).
     "[m thirdly THIBAUT [III] de Crépy Seigneur de Nanteuil-le-Haudouin, son of THIBAUT [II] de Crépy & his wife Elisabeth --- (-before 20 Jan 1183).]"
Med Lands cites:
[165] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 15, MGH SS XIII, p. 255.
[166] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.
[167] Müller, E. (ed.) (1900) Le prieuré de Saint-Leu d’Esserent, Cartulaire première partie 1080-1150 (Pontoise) ("Esserent Saint-Leu"), XXI, p. 25.
[168] Mathon ‘Notice historique sur la ville de Creil et sur son ancien château’, Mémoires de la Société Académique de l’Oise, Tome IV (Beauvais, 1859), p. 593.
[169] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta, XVIII, col. 212.
[170] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta, XVIII, col. 212.
[171] Esserent Saint-Leu, XLII, p. 45.
[172] Esserent Saint-Leu, LIX, p. 59.
[173] Esserent Saint-Leu, LXIII, p. 64.
[174] Louvet, P. (1635) Histoire et antiquitéz du pays de Beauvaisis (Beauvais), Tome II, p. 5, no precise citation reference.
[175] Tardif, J. (1866) Monuments historiques (Paris), 523, p. 274.
[176] Mathieu, J. N. 'Recherches sur les premiers Comtes de Dammartin', Mémoires publiés par la Fédération des sociétés historiques et archéologiques de Paris et de l'Ile-de-France, t. 47 (1996), p. 29, footnote 76.
[177] Chartes de l’abbaye de Saint-Denis, Le cartulaire blanc, Tome I, p. 464, available at (8 Sep 2015).
[178] Duchesne (1621) Châtillon, p. 658, no citation reference.17


Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 653.
2. De quelques champenois dans l'entourage francais des Rois d'Angleterre aux XIe et XII sieclres, Bur, Michel.2
Renaud II/III (?) Cte de Clermont-en-Beauvais, was also known as Renaud Comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis.12

; This is the same person as:
”Renaud II, Count of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis” at Wikipedia and as
”Renaud II de Clermont” at Wikipédia (Fr.)18,19

Reference: Weis [1992:127] Line 144-25.20 GAV-23 EDV-23 GKJ-24.

; Per Med Lands:
     "RENAUD [III] de Clermont, son of HUGUES [II] de Creil & his wife Marguerite de Ramerupt (-[1152/53]). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Guido dictus Qui-non-dormit et Hugo Pauper et comes Rainaldus et sorores eorum" as children of "Hugo comes de Claro-monte" and his wife Marguerite[61]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitem Rainaldum" as son of "comiti Hugonis de Claromonte Baluacensi" and his wife Marguerite[62]. Albert of Aix names "…Reinoldus de civitate Belvatiæ…" among those who took part in the siege of Nikaia, dated to mid-1097 from the context[63]. Albert of Aix records that "…Reinaldus de Belvacio…" fought against the Turks at Dorylæum (1 Jul 1097)[64]. "Hugo Clarimontis dns" confirmed his donations to the church of Saint-Germer-de-Flay, with the consent of "filiis meis Rainaldo et Guidone", by charter dated to before Nov 1099[65]. He assumed the title Comte de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] after his first marriage[66]. [“Radulfus Oysardi filius” donated property at Creil to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, and the nuns obtained the consent of "comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita", by charter dated to [1119][67]. The dating of this document is problematic: while the presence of Marguerite suggests that she was still unmarried, the date is inconsistent with the estimated birth date of Clémence. It should be noted that Mathon dates the consent given by Comte Renaud to [1153], although he does not state why he says this[68]. If that dating is correct, the witness would have been Renaud’s daughter Marguerite by his second marriage, although it is unclear why she would have been singled out for giving consent without her brothers and sisters.] A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[69]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[70]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[71]. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[72]. The charter dated 1153 which records the donation made by his wife and children suggests that Renaud was already dead at that time.
     "m firstly (1103) ADELAIS Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy, widow of HUGUES de France Comte de Vermandois, daughter and heiress of HERIBERT [VI] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Adelais de Valois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte", specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[73]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[74].
     "m secondly ([1135]) [as her second husband,] CLEMENCE de Bar, [widow of --- Comte de Dammartin,] daughter of RENAUD I Comte de Bar & his wife Gisèle de Vaudémont ([1123/27]-after 20 Jan 1182). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis records that "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" married "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[75]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites de Claromonte Belvacensi" as descended from "una…sorore eiusdem comitis [=comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[76]. Her birth date range is estimated based on the date of her parents' marriage. Renaud’s second wife would presumably have held the title “Ctss de Dammartin” through an earlier marriage to a comte de Dammartin. If she had been the daughter of a comte de Dammartin, she would not have borne the comital title. [“Radulfus Oysardi filius” donated property at Creil to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, and the nuns obtained the consent of "comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita", by charter dated to [1119][77]. The dating of this document is problematic: while the presence of Marguerite suggests that she was still unmarried, the date is inconsistent with the estimated birth date of Clémence. It should be noted that Mathon dates the consent given by Comte Renaud to [1153], although he does not state why he says this[78]. If that dating is correct, the witness would have been Renaud’s daughter Marguerite by his second marriage, although it is unclear why she would have been singled out for giving consent without her brothers and sisters.] Louis VII King of France confirmed what “episcopus Parisiensis et Guillelmus Lupus frater eius et comes Damni-Martini Renaudus cum uxore sua” donated to Chaalis “per concessum Adelizæ de Bulis et filiorum eius Lancelini...et fratrum suorum” and the donation of land “apud Hermenovillam et...moriens juxta Villam-novam” made by “Joscelinus de Damno-Martino”, by charter dated 1138[79]. The property the subject of the first-named donation is not specified in the charter. However, a possibly linked charter dated to [1137] records that “Willelmus Lupus Silvanectensis” donated “locum...in quo situm est cœnobium...[et] usum totius Espioniæ et Beeley”, with the support of “uxore mea Adelvia, filioque meo majore...Guidone” and sealed by “fratris mei Stephani Parisiensis episc.”[80]. The charter dated 1138 also provides a possible indication of Clémence’s family origin: the joint donation suggests a joint interest in the property donated, and so a connection with the family of the bouteillers de Senlis (to which Guillaume “le Loup” and his brother Etienne Bishop of Paris belonged). A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[81]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[82]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[83]. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[84]. Louis VII King of France confirmed an agreement between Eudes Prior of Saint-Denis and "Donni Martini comitissam Clementiam" who relinquished rights “in Trenbleio” by charter dated 1153[85]. Mathieu quotes a charter of Manassès Bishop of Meaux, dated to [1157], which records property first donated to Chaalis by “Domnimartini comitissa Clementia, laudante viro suo Renaldo de Clarimonte” as well as her donation of rights of way and use of wood “in omnia terra” belonging to “consulatum Domnimartini”[86]. “Clementia comitissa de Domno Martino cum liberis meis” renounced rights over “villa Trembliaco” after disputes between the abbey of Saint-Denis and “antecessores nostros comites de Dompno Martino”, litigated before “regis Ludovici”, by undated charter (dated to [1153/62]), witnessed by “Ansoldus de Claromonte et Petrus nepos eius, Galterus de Alneto...”[87]. [She married [thirdly] Thibaut [III] de Crépy Seigneur de Nanteuil-le-Hardouin. Duchesne states that Thibaut [III] de Nanteuil married “Clemence veuve de Renaut Comte de Clairmont en Beauvoisin” by whom he had three children, but does not cite the corresponding primary source[88]. The primary source which confirms this third marriage has not been identified, and from a chronological point of view it appears unlikely to be correct particularly as she is supposed to have had children by her third husband.] "
Med Lands cites:
[61] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 15, MGH SS XIII, p. 255.
[62] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1063, MGH SS XXIII, p. 794.
[63] Albert of Aix (RHC), Liber II, Cap. XXIII, p. 316.
[64] Albert of Aix (RHC), Liber II, Cap. XLII, p. 332.
[65] Lépinois (1877), Pièces justificatives, I, p. 421.
[66] Kerrebrouck (2000), pp. 538 and 544 footnote 9.
[67] Esserent Saint-Leu, XXI, p. 25.
[68] Mathon ‘Notice sur Creil’ (1859), p. 593.
[69] Esserent Saint-Leu, XLII, p. 45.
[70] Esserent Saint-Leu, LIX, p. 59.
[71] Esserent Saint-Leu, LXIII, p. 64.
[72] Louvet (1635), Tome II, p. 5, no precise citation reference.
[73] De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses MGH SS, p. 257.
[74] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 15, MGH SS XIII, p. 255.
[75] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 15, MGH SS XIII, p. 255.
[76] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.
[77] Esserent Saint-Leu, XXI, p. 25.
[78] Mathon ‘Notice sur Creil’ (1859), p. 593.
[79] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta, XVIII, col. 212.
[80] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta, XVIII, col. 212.
[81] Esserent Saint-Leu, XLII, p. 45.
[82] Esserent Saint-Leu, LIX, p. 59.
[83] Esserent Saint-Leu, LXIII, p. 64.
[84] Louvet (1635), Tome II, p. 5, no precise citation reference.
[85] Tardif (1866), 523, p. 274.
[86] Mathieu ' Comtes de Dammartin' (1996), p. 29, footnote 76.
[87] Chartes de l’abbaye de Saint-Denis, Le cartulaire blanc, Tome I, p. 464.
[88] Duchesne (1621) Châtillon, p. 658, no citation reference.4


; Per Racines et Histoire (Clermont-en-Beauvais): “Renaud II de Clermont ° ~1075/78 + avant 1162 (~1152/56/61 ?) 1er comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis(1101/03, par Philippe 1er, aux droits de sa femme), seigneur de la moitié de Luzarches, croisé (1099, avec Adhémar, Evêque du Puy)
     ép. 1) ~1102/03 Adélaïde (Alix) comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy ° ~1062/65 + 28/09/1124 (Meulan) (fille d’Herbert IV de Vermandois et d’Adèle de Valois (ou Ermentrude ?) ; veuve d’Hugues de France + 18/10/1101/02 (croisé, Tarse, Turquie)
     ép. 2) ~ 1138 (1135, 1140, 1129 ?) Clémence de Bar ° ~ 1115/20/27 + après 20/01/1182/83 comtesse de Dammartin (fille de Renaud 1er, comte de Bar-Le-Duc et de Mousson, et de Gisèle (ou Gillette) de Vaudémont ; veuve de ? de Dammartin + avant 1138 ; ép. 3?) Thibaud III de Crépy, seigneur de Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin (60)) ”.21 He was Comte de Clermont between 1101 and 1153.

Citations

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Hugo de Lorraine Duke of Els1

M, #10197, b. between 855 and 860, d. 895
FatherLothaire II "The Saxon" (?) King of Lorraine1,2,3 b. 835, d. 8 Aug 869
MotherWaldrada (?)3,4 b. bt 835 - 836, d. a 868
Last Edited14 Dec 2020
     Hugo de Lorraine Duke of Els was born between 855 and 860.1
Hugo de Lorraine Duke of Els died in 895.1
      ; blinded.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lothar II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020451&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#LothaireIILotharingia. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Waldrada: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020453&tree=LEO

Otho (Eudes Or Otto) (?) Comte de Vermandois et de Valois1,2,3,4,5

M, #10198, b. circa 1000, d. 25 May 1045
FatherHerbert III/IV (?) Cte de Vermandois3,6,4,7,5 b. bt 954 - 955, d. a 29 Aug 993
MotherErmengarde de Bar-sur-Seine3,8,7,4,5 d. a 1018
ReferenceGAV28 EDV26
Last Edited24 Dec 2020
     Otho (Eudes Or Otto) (?) Comte de Vermandois et de Valois was born circa 1000; Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says b. 979; Med Lands says b. 985/90; Genealogics says b. ca 1000; Weis says b. ca 1000.9,1,3,7,4,10 He married Parvie (Pavie) (?)3,7,10,4,11

Otho (Eudes Or Otto) (?) Comte de Vermandois et de Valois died on 25 May 1045.9,1,3,10,7,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 112.
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to Amercia bef.1700 7th Edition, Frederick Lewis Weis, Reference: 51.7


; This is the same person as ”Otto, Count of Vermandois” at Wikipedia and as ”Otton de Vermandois” at Wikipédia (FR).12,13 GAV-28 EDV-26 GKJ-27.

; Per Weis: “Otho (Eudes or Otto), by (2), Count of Vermandois, b. abt. 1000, d. 25 May 1045; m. Parvie.”.14

; Per Racines et Histoire (Vermandois): “Eudes 1er (Otton) ° 979/1000 + 25/05/1045 comte de Vermandois (1031),
     ép. ~1027 Pavie de Ham (ou d’Aquitaine ?) ° 990 + 1058 ”.15

; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1): “H1. Cte Otho de Vermandois, *979, +25.5.1045; m.Pavia (Patia) N (*990)”.16

; Per Med Lands:
     "EUDES, son of HERIBERT [IV] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Ermengardis --- ([985/90]-25 May 1045). He succeeded in [1021] as Comte de Vermandois. "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[279]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Denis records the death "VIII Kal Jun" of "Otto comes"[280].
     "m PAVIA, daughter of --- (-after 1045). "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[281]."
Med Lands cites:
[279] Settipani (1993), p. 238 footnote 344, quoting Newman, W. M., Constable, G. and Evergates, T. (1990) The cartulary and charters of Notre-Dame of Homblières (Cambridge), p. 78, 13 Jan-13 Oct 1045.
[280] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Abbaye de Saint-Denis, p. 317.
[281] Settipani (1993), p. 238 footnote 344, quoting Newman, W. M., Constable, G. and Evergates, T. (1990) The cartulary and charters of Notre-Dame of Homblières (Cambridge), p. 78, 13 Jan-13 Oct 1045.4
He was Comte de Vermandois between 1015 and 1045.12

Family

Parvie (Pavie) (?) b. 990, d. a 1045
Children

Citations

  1. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 120. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otho: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050027&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#Eudesdied1045B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 50-21, p. 57. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heribert III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020494&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otho: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050027&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020495&tree=LEO
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 50-21, p. 51. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Line 50-21, p. 57.. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pavie: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050028&tree=LEO
  12. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto,_Count_of_Vermandois. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  13. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Otton de Vermandois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otton_de_Vermandois. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  14. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Line 50-21, p. 57.
  15. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois, Valois & Vexin & Chaumont-en-Vexin, Ham, Saint-Simon, Sohier-Walincourt, & Fontaine-lès-Gobert, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  16. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  17. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, line 50-22, p. 57.
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heribert IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050025&tree=LEO

Parvie (Pavie) (?)1

F, #10199, b. 990, d. after 1045
ReferenceGAV27 EDV26
Last Edited24 Dec 2020
     Parvie (Pavie) (?) was born in 990.2 She married Otho (Eudes Or Otto) (?) Comte de Vermandois et de Valois, son of Herbert III/IV (?) Cte de Vermandois and Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine.2,3,4,5,1

Parvie (Pavie) (?) died after 1045.5
      ; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1): “H1. Cte Otho de Vermandois, *979, +25.5.1045; m.Pavia (Patia) N (*990)”.6

; Per Med Lands:
     "EUDES, son of HERIBERT [IV] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Ermengardis --- ([985/90]-25 May 1045). He succeeded in [1021] as Comte de Vermandois. "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[279]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Denis records the death "VIII Kal Jun" of "Otto comes"[280].
     "m PAVIA, daughter of --- (-after 1045). "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[281]."
Med Lands cites:
[279] Settipani (1993), p. 238 footnote 344, quoting Newman, W. M., Constable, G. and Evergates, T. (1990) The cartulary and charters of Notre-Dame of Homblières (Cambridge), p. 78, 13 Jan-13 Oct 1045.
[280] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Abbaye de Saint-Denis, p. 317.
[281] Settipani (1993), p. 238 footnote 344, quoting Newman, W. M., Constable, G. and Evergates, T. (1990) The cartulary and charters of Notre-Dame of Homblières (Cambridge), p. 78, 13 Jan-13 Oct 1045.5


; Per Weis: “Otho (Eudes or Otto), by (2), Count of Vermandois, b. abt. 1000, d. 25 May 1045; m. Parvie.”.7

; Per Racines et Histoire (Vermandois): “Eudes 1er (Otton) ° 979/1000 + 25/05/1045 comte de Vermandois (1031),
     ép. ~1027 Pavie de Ham (ou d’Aquitaine ?) ° 990 + 1058 ”.8 GAV-27 EDV-26 GKJ-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 112.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pavie: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050028&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otho: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050027&tree=LEO
  4. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Line 50-21, p. 57.. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#Eudesdied1045B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  7. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 50-21, p. 57.. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois, Valois & Vexin & Chaumont-en-Vexin, Ham, Saint-Simon, Sohier-Walincourt, & Fontaine-lès-Gobert, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 50-22, p. 51. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heribert IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050025&tree=LEO

Herbert III/IV (?) Cte de Vermandois1,2,3,4

M, #10200, b. between 954 and 955, d. after 29 August 993
FatherAdalbert/Albert I "The Pious" (?) Comte de Vermandois2,5,6,7 b. c 915, d. 8 Sep 987
MotherGerberga (?) de Lorraine2,8,6,7 b. c 935, d. a 7 Sep 978
ReferenceGAV28 EDV27
Last Edited24 Dec 2020
     Herbert III/IV (?) Cte de Vermandois was born between 954 and 955.9,2,7,6 He married Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine, daughter of Reinald (?) Comte de Bar-sur-Seine, between 982 and 986
;
Her 2nd husband. Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says m. 997/1000; Med Lands says m. 982/986.9,2,7,6,10
Herbert III/IV (?) Cte de Vermandois died after 29 August 993; Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says d. 1015; Weis (AR7, line 50-20) says d. ca 1000; Genealogics says d. aft 29 Aug 993.9,2,7,6
     GAV-28 EDV-27 GKJ-28.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 149.
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to Amercia bef.1700 7th Edition, Frederick Lewis Weis, Reference: 51.7


; Per Med Lands:
     "HERIBERT [IV] ([954]-29 Aug [993]). A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists (in order) "Albertus comes, Girberga comitissa, Harbertus, Otto, Lewultus, Girbertus, Gondrada, Ricardus, Harbertus comes…", the first four individuals named apparently being Comte Albert, his wife and three sons, and the last named maybe his brother or nephew[259]. Héribert [IV] succeeded his father in 987 as Comte de Vermandois.
     "m (before [982/86]) [as her first husband,] ERMENGARDIS, daughter of ---. "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[260]. According to Ernest Petit[261], Ermengardis was the widow of Milon [IV] Comte de Tonnerre. The author highlights a charter of Ermengardis Ctss de Vermandois witnessed by Renaud Comte de Tonnerre. He suggests that Comte Renaud would only have done this if he were the son of Ermengardis, although other explanations must be possible. Settipani points out[262] that Ermengardis is named as the wife of Héribert [IV] in a document of her father-in-law Albert [I] Comte de Vermandois, relating to the abbey of Homblières, dated some time between 982 and the death of Comte Albert (in 987). If the two marriages apply to the same Ermengardis, Comte Héribert must have been her first husband and Comte Milon her second. However, it is not clear that this suggested co-identity is correct, a simpler explanation being that there were two different individuals named Ermengardis. Ernest Petit also suggests[263] that Ermengardis (wife of Comte Milon) was heiress of Bar-sur-Seine, in order to explain how her granddaughter by Comte Milon, Eustachie, transmitted this county to her husband Gauthier de Brienne. He identified the father of Ermengardis as "Renaud Comte de Bar-sur-Seine" based on two charters, which he dated to 992 and 997, which name "Rainardus comes" whom he identifies with Rainard, son of miles Raoul de Bar, who is mentioned in the Chronicle of St Bénigne[264]. There appears to be no other evidence of the existence of this person, and Bouchard[265] points out that the dating of the two charters in question is uncertain. She suggests that it is more likely that "Rainardus" is identified with Renaud Comte de Sens or with "Rainaldus" son of Ermengardis. This of course leaves open the question how Bar-sur-Seine was transmitted to the Tonnerre family.
     "Comte Heribert [IV] & his wife had two children:
     "a) ALBERT [II] ([985/90]-[1 Feb 1015/1017]).
     "b) EUDES [Otto] ([985/90]-25 May 1045)."

Med Lands cites:
[259] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.2, Eglise cathedrale de Paris, p. 1015.
[260] Settipani (1993), p. 238 footnote 344, quoting Newman, W. M., Constable, G. and Evergates, T. (1990) The cartulary and charters of Notre-Dame of Homblières (Cambridge), p. 78, 13 Jan-13 Oct 1045.
[261] Petit (1885), Vol. II, p. 425, cited in Bouchard (1987), p. 371.
[262] Settipani (1993), p. 237 footnote 336.
[263] Petit, Vol. II, p. 430, cited in Bouchard (1987), p. 371.
[264] Chronique de Saint-Bénigne, p. 161, cited in Bouchard (1987), p. 372.
[265] Bouchard (1987), p. 372.
[266] Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium III.23, MGH SS 7, p. 473.
[267] Settipani (1993), p. 237 footnote 343, citing Glocker, W. Die Verwandten der Ottonen und ihre Bedeutung in der Politik. Studien zur Familienpolitik und zur Genealogie der sächsischen Kaiserhauses (Köln, Vienna, 1989).6

Citations

  1. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 120. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heribert III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020494&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#HeribertIIIdied9931002. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adalbert 'the Pious': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020492&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#AlbertIdied987B
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  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberga de Lorraine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020493&tree=LEO
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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 50-20, p. 51. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020495&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#Eudesdied1045B
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otho: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050027&tree=LEO
  13. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 50-21, p. 57. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.