Beatrix (?)1

F, #63991, b. circa 1030, d. 26 September 1036
FatherKonrad II "the Salic" (?) Holy Roman Emperor1,2,3 b. c 990, d. 4 Jun 1039
MotherGisela von Schwaben Queen of Germany, Holy Roman empress, Queen of Burgundy1,4,5,3 b. 11 Nov 990, d. 14 Feb 1043
Last Edited1 Jul 2020
     Beatrix (?) was born circa 1030.1
Beatrix (?) died on 26 September 1036.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Salian page (Salian Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/salian.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027246&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GERMANY,%20Kings.htm#KonradIIGermanyEmperorB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Count Bruno of Brunswick: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106626&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisela von Schwaben: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027247&tree=LEO

Odalrich (?)1

M, #63992
FatherGerhard III (?) de Alsace, Count of Metz1,2 d. 1045
MotherGisele (?) de Alsace1 d. 1045
Last Edited8 Apr 2020
     ; a priest.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 1 page (The House of Lorraine): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Adalbertdied1033. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Frederic (?) Bishop of Orleans1

M, #63993, d. 4 June 1299
FatherFrederick III (?) Duc de Lorraine1,2 b. 1238, d. 31 Dec 1302
MotherDoña Marguerite (?) de Champagne, Infanta de Navarra1,3,2 b. 1240, d. bt 1306 - 1307
Last Edited30 Jul 2020
     Frederic (?) Bishop of Orleans died on 4 June 1299; murdered.1
     ; Bishop of Orleans.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine2.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LORRAINE.htm#FerryIIIdied1302B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_III,_Duke_of_Lorraine. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.

Frederic (?) sn de Plombieres, de Romont et de Bremoncourt1

M, #63994, d. before 1320
FatherFrederick III (?) Duc de Lorraine1,2 b. 1238, d. 31 Dec 1302
MotherDoña Marguerite (?) de Champagne, Infanta de Navarra1,3,2 b. 1240, d. bt 1306 - 1307
Last Edited30 Jul 2020
     Frederic (?) sn de Plombieres, de Romont et de Bremoncourt married Marguerite de Blamont; his 1st wife.1 Frederic (?) sn de Plombieres, de Romont et de Bremoncourt married Isabelle de Pulligny; his 2nd wife.1
Frederic (?) sn de Plombieres, de Romont et de Bremoncourt died before 1320.1
     ; Frederic, sn de Plombiéres, de Romont et de Brémoncourt, +by 1320; 1m: Marguerite de Blamont; 2m: Isabelle de Pulligny; all issue by 1m.1

Family 1

Isabelle de Pulligny

Family 2

Marguerite de Blamont

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine2.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LORRAINE.htm#FerryIIIdied1302B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_III,_Duke_of_Lorraine. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.

Catherine (?) de Lorraine, Dame de Romont1

F, #63998, d. after 13 March 1316
FatherFrederick III (?) Duc de Lorraine1,2 b. 1238, d. 31 Dec 1302
MotherDoña Marguerite (?) de Champagne, Infanta de Navarra1,3,4,2 b. 1240, d. bt 1306 - 1307
Last Edited30 Jul 2020
     Catherine (?) de Lorraine, Dame de Romont married Konrad III (?) Graf von Freiburg on 9 July 1290 at Strasbourg, Alsace-Lorraine, France (now); his 1st wife.5,1
Catherine (?) de Lorraine, Dame de Romont died after 13 March 1316.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine2.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LORRAINE.htm#FerryIIIdied1302B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Champagne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026279&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_III,_Duke_of_Lorraine. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Furstenbuerg 1 page (The House of Fürstenberg): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/furstbg/furstenbg1.html

Konrad III (?) Graf von Freiburg1

M, #63999, d. 1350
Last Edited25 May 2004
     Konrad III (?) Graf von Freiburg married Catherine (?) de Lorraine, Dame de Romont, daughter of Frederick III (?) Duc de Lorraine and Doña Marguerite (?) de Champagne, Infanta de Navarra, on 9 July 1290 at Strasbourg, Alsace-Lorraine, France (now); his 1st wife.1,2 Konrad III (?) Graf von Freiburg married Anna (?) von Signau before 29 October 1330; his 2nd wife.1
Konrad III (?) Graf von Freiburg died in 1350.1
     ; Konrad III Gf von Freiburg, +1350; 1m: 1290 Catherine of Lorraine (+after 13.3.1316); 2m: before 29.10.1330 Anna von Signau (+after 30.3.1330.)1

Family 2

Anna (?) von Signau d. a 30 Mar 1330

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Furstenbuerg 1 page (The House of Fürstenberg): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/furstbg/furstenbg1.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine2.html

Anna (?) von Signau1

F, #64000, d. after 30 March 1330
Last Edited25 May 2004
     Anna (?) von Signau died after 30 March 1330.1 She married Konrad III (?) Graf von Freiburg before 29 October 1330; his 2nd wife.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Furstenbuerg 1 page (The House of Fürstenberg): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/furstbg/furstenbg1.html

Sir Henry de Longchamp of Wilton, co. Hereford1

M, #64001
Last Edited6 Oct 2020
     Sir Henry de Longchamp of Wilton, co. Hereford married Joan/Joanne de Lacy, daughter of John de Lacy of Hatton, 1st Earl of Lincoln and Alice de L'Aigle, circa 16 September 1230; d husband.1

Family

Joan/Joanne de Lacy
Child

Citations

  1. [S1638] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 26 May 2004: "CP Addition: Ancestry of Maud de Longchamp, wife of Reynold de Grey"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 26 May 2004."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud de Longchamp: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00127831&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Joan/Joanne de Lacy1

F, #64002
FatherJohn de Lacy of Hatton, 1st Earl of Lincoln1 b. 1192, d. 22 Jul 1240
MotherAlice de L'Aigle1
Last Edited6 Oct 2020
     Joan/Joanne de Lacy married Thomas de Birkin; her 1st husband.1 Joan/Joanne de Lacy married Sir Henry de Longchamp of Wilton, co. Hereford circa 16 September 1230; d husband.1
     ; The account in CP under Grey (of Wilton) states succinctly, with regard to Sir Reynold de Grey of Ruthin (d. 5 Apr 1308),

' He m. Maud, da. and h. of Sir Henry de Longchamp, of Wilton, co. Hereford (f). ' [1]

With regard to Maud's mother, she is known from other sources to have been Joan, wife of (1stly) Thomas de Birkin, and (2ndly) Henry de Longchamp, during or after 16 Sept 1230 [2].

No source I had seen to date had identified the mother of Joan. However, I find the following written by Paul Martin Remfry concerning Wilton Castle and its tenant families:

' On 16 September 1230 Henry Longchamp of Wilton fined
50m with the king for the right to marry Joanne the widow
of Thomas Birkyn (93). The match was obviously made with
the assent of the lady's father, John Lacy the constable
of Chester, for he pledged Henry to be capable of meeting
his obligations. ' [3]

Further, Remfry noted re: the extent of the Longchamp holdings in Northants., taken in 1242-3 after Henry's death in 1237:

' Finally in Northamptonshire Henry held a sixth of a fee
from the barony of the deceased Earl John Lacy of Lincoln.
This fee probably came to Henry when he took John's
daughter, Joanne to wife in 1230, although as has been
mentioned above this may have been part of the service
which the early Longchamps owed at Chester (193).' [4]

Remfry obviously noted the pledge of the Constable of Chester, John de Lacy (later Earl of Lincoln, de jure uxoris) as an important part of the text of the 1230 fine, although it is not obvious from the text or notes cited above what Remfry's basis was for determining that Joan was the daughter of John de Lacy. Perhaps the Longchamp holding in co. Northants. cited by Remfry may assist in verifying this relationship.

If this identification is correct, it is an important addition to the ancestry of Maud de Longchamp, and by extension of her many descendants - the Lords Grey (of Wilton, Groby, & c.), the Marquesses of Dorset, Lady Jane Grey and QE II, and a number of SGM list members, to name only a very few. This will most likely be further enhanced when a precise identification of Maud de Longchamp's mother is made: based on what is known of the career of John de Lacy, and the chronology of the individuals involved, this would most likely have been his first wife, Alice de L'Aigle. If this is validated, this would provide further Plantagenet ancestry, as Alice de L'Aigle was evidently a granddaughter of Hamelin 'de Warenne', earl of Surrey (d. 7 May 1202), the illegitimate son of Geoffrey 'Plantagenet' [5].

Any further documentation, comment or observation will be certainly welcome. I will be happy to post relevant pedigrees reflecting this descent, once its reasonableness or validation is established.

Cheers, John *

NOTES

[1] CP VI:173. Note (f) gives documentation concerning her
paternity, citing Pipe Roll 15 Edw. I (Hereford), and
Coram Rege Roll, Hilary 20 Edw. I, rot. 1.

[2] Dugdale, Baronage (sub _Longchamp_). Also, the text of a
fine by Henry de Longchamp to have the widow of Thomas de
Birkin in marriage [Excerpta e Rotulis Finium I:207],
as transcribed without extension of abbreviations:

" Henr' de Longo Camp' dat dno R. L. marc p hnda i ux Joh'a
q fuit ux Thom' de Birkin'. Constab Cestr pleg est de
fine illo redd. "

[3] Paul Martin Remfrey, Wilton Castle: 1066 to 1644 (Worcester:
SCS Publishing, 1998), p. 17. Note (93) cites CCR 1227-31,
435; and Rot. Fin., 1216-46, 207 [same as note [2] above].

[4] Ibid., p. 20. Note (115) cites Book of Fees, 921, 925, 935.

[5] Kathleen Thompson, 'The Lords of Laigle: Ambition and
Insecurity on the Borders of Normandy' Anglo-Norman Studies 18
(Proceedings of the Battle Conference 1995), p. 183.1

Family 1

Thomas de Birkin

Family 2

Sir Henry de Longchamp of Wilton, co. Hereford
Child

Citations

  1. [S1638] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 26 May 2004: "CP Addition: Ancestry of Maud de Longchamp, wife of Reynold de Grey"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 26 May 2004."

John fitz Richard1

M, #64004
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited27 May 2004
     GAV-28.

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."

Gundreda de Warenne1

F, #64005, d. 1224
FatherReginald de Warenne1 b. c 1113, d. 1179
MotherAlice/Adeliza de Wormegay1 d. a 1179
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     Gundreda de Warenne married Peter de Valoins of Benington, co. Herts., son of Roger de Valognes of Bennington, co. Herts and Agnes fitz John.1
Gundreda de Warenne died in 1224; Peter de Valoins - Death:     1158, d.s.p.[1], of Bennington, co. Herts.
Spouse:     Gundreda de Warenne
Death:     1224[6]
Father:     Reginald de Warenne (-1179)
Mother:     Alice de Wormegay (->1179)
Sources:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.1
     ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."

Peter de Valoins of Benington, co. Herts.1

M, #64006, d. 1158
FatherRoger de Valognes of Bennington, co. Herts1,2 d. c 1142
MotherAgnes fitz John1 d. a 1184
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     Peter de Valoins of Benington, co. Herts. married Gundreda de Warenne, daughter of Reginald de Warenne and Alice/Adeliza de Wormegay.1
Peter de Valoins of Benington, co. Herts. died in 1158; dsp.1
     ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1 Peter de Valoins of Benington, co. Herts. was also known as Peter de Valognes.

Family

Gundreda de Warenne d. 1224

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roger de Valoins, of Benington: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00437136&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Robert de Valognes of Bennington, Sacomb , and Hertingfordbury, Herts1

M, #64007, d. 1184
FatherRoger de Valognes of Bennington, co. Herts1,2 d. c 1142
MotherAgnes fitz John1 d. a 1184
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     Robert de Valognes of Bennington, Sacomb , and Hertingfordbury, Herts married Hawise (?)1
Robert de Valognes of Bennington, Sacomb , and Hertingfordbury, Herts died in 1184.1
     ; Robert de Valoins - Death:     1184[1], of Bennington, Sacomb , and Hertingfordbury, Herts, Higham, Essex, Great Fakenham and Bacton, Suffolk & c.'[5]
Spouse:     Hawise
Children:     Gunnor
Sources:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.1


; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1 Robert de Valognes of Bennington, Sacomb , and Hertingfordbury, Herts was also known as Robert de Valoins of Bennington, Sacomb , and Hertingfordbury, Herts.1

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roger de Valoins, of Benington: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00437136&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Hawise (?)1

F, #64008
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     Hawise (?) married Robert de Valognes of Bennington, Sacomb , and Hertingfordbury, Herts, son of Roger de Valognes of Bennington, co. Herts and Agnes fitz John.1
     ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."

Gunnor de Valognes1

F, #64009
FatherRobert de Valognes of Bennington, Sacomb , and Hertingfordbury, Herts1 d. 1184
MotherHawise (?)1
Last Edited2 Oct 2019
     Gunnor de Valognes married Durand de Osteil; her 1st husband.1 Gunnor de Valognes married Robert Fitz Walter de Clare feudal Lord of Woodham Walter, son of Walter Fitz Robert de Clare of Little Dunmow, co. Essex and Maud de Lucy Lady of Diss (Norfolk), before 1199; her 2nd husband.1,2
     ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1

; Gunnor de Valoins - first wife[7], and heiress of her father

CP Vol V (Essex), pp. 127 (under Geoffrey de Mandeville, re: Maud) and
132 (under William de Mandeville, re: Christine) states they were the
lst and 2nd daughters respectively
' of Robert Fitz Wauter, of Woodham Walter, Essex, by his 1st wife (to whom she was coh.), Gunnor, da. and h. of Robert de Valoines, of Bennington, Sacomb , and Hertingfordbury, Herts, Higham, Essex, Great Fakenham and Bacton, Suffolk & c.'[5]

she m. lstly Durand de Osteil,
2ndly Robert fitz Walter (Sanders, p. 12)[1]

Spouse:     Robert fitz Walter
Death:     9 Dec 1235[5]
Father:     Walter fitz Robert (-1198)
Mother:     Maud de Lucy

Children:     Christian (-1232)
               Maud (-<1213)
Sources:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).1
Gunnor de Valognes was also known as Gunnor de Valoins.1

Family 1

Durand de Osteil

Family 2

Robert Fitz Walter de Clare feudal Lord of Woodham Walter d. 9 Dec 1235
Children

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."
  2. [S1784] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 29 July 2005 "Re: Descendants of Sir Richard de Lucy and Rohese of Boulogne"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/F9_d7JZUuk0/m/5jgR9n064yQJ) to e-mail address, 29 July 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 29 July 2005."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00437143&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Sir John Pudsey Knt.1,2

M, #64011, b. circa 1428, d. 12 August 1492
FatherSir Ralph Pudsey Knt., of Bolton and Barforth, Yorkshire1,3,2 b. c 1390, d. 14 Apr 1468
MotherMargaret Tunstall1,4,2 b. c 1400
ReferenceGAV17
Last Edited16 Dec 2012
     Sir John Pudsey Knt. was born circa 1428; aged 40 in 1468.2 He married Grace Hamerton, daughter of Lawrence Hamerton Esq., of Wigglesworth and Isabel Tempest of Bracewell.5,2
Sir John Pudsey Knt. died on 12 August 1492.2
     GAV-17.

; van de Pas cites: Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families 2004, Salt Lake City, Richardson, Douglas, Reference: 597.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Pudsey: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00464950&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Pudsey 13: p. 597. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ralph Pudsey: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00464946&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Tunstall: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00464948&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Grace Hamerton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00464951&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henry Pudsey, of Bolton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00247229&tree=LEO
  7. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Pudsey 14: pp. 597-8.

William Comyn of Kilbride, Lanark1

M, #64012, d. 1283
FatherDavid Comyn1 d. b 7 Aug 1247
MotherIsabel de Valoins1 d. 1253
Last Edited27 May 2004
     William Comyn of Kilbride, Lanark married Euphemia de Dunbar, daughter of Patrick de Dunbar 6th Earl of Dunbar and Cecilia FitzJohn.2
William Comyn of Kilbride, Lanark died in 1283.1

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."
  2. [S1822] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2004 "Euphemia, Countess of Ross (was Re: Magna Carta line of Eufemia)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 28 Oct 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2004."

Henry (?) of Essex1

M, #64013, d. before 21 March 1194
FatherHenry de Essex Lord of Rayleigh and Haughley1 d. a 1163
MotherCecily de Valognes1,2 d. b 1186
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     Henry (?) of Essex died before 21 March 1194; dsp.1
     ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1

; Henry of Essex - Death:     bef 21 Mar 1194, d.s.p.[12] '...mentioned in 2 charters of Henry of Essex confirming the foundation of Monks Horton (Add.MS [British Library] 5516, fo.3).'[12]
evidently did not succeed his father (see under brother Hugh of Essex)
Source:
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.1

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."
  2. [S2008] MJ Carr, "Carr email 18 Dec 2005: "Re: The early Wroths of Enfield, Middlesex "," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 18 Dec 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Carr email 18 Dec 2005."

Henry de Essex of North Weald, Essex1

M, #64014, d. before 1268
FatherHugh de Essex of North Weald, Essex1,2 d. b 1227
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     Henry de Essex of North Weald, Essex died before 1268; dsp.1
     ; Henry of Essex - Death:     bef 1268, d.s.p.[12], of North Weald, Essex. evidently d.s.p., succeeded by brother Hugh[12]
Source:
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.1

; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1

; succeeded by his brother, Hugh.1

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."
  2. [S2008] MJ Carr, "Carr email 18 Dec 2005: "Re: The early Wroths of Enfield, Middlesex "," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 18 Dec 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Carr email 18 Dec 2005."

Robert (?) of Essex1

M, #64015
FatherHenry de Essex Lord of Rayleigh and Haughley1 d. a 1163
MotherCecily de Valognes1,2 d. b 1186
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1 Robert (?) of Essex was Clerk.1

; Robert of Essex - clerk, '...mentioned in 2 charters of Henry of Essex confirming the foundation of Monks Horton (Add.MS [British Library] 5516, fo.3).'[12]
Source:
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.1

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."
  2. [S2008] MJ Carr, "Carr email 18 Dec 2005: "Re: The early Wroths of Enfield, Middlesex "," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 18 Dec 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Carr email 18 Dec 2005."

Gunnora (?) of Essex1

F, #64016
FatherHenry de Essex Lord of Rayleigh and Haughley1,2 d. a 1163
MotherCecily de Valognes1,3 d. b 1186
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1 Gunnora (?) of Essex was Gunnora of Essex - 'Gunnora de Essex': identification as theorised by Rosie Bevan (see discussion under mother Cecily): 'Taking the Valognes links into consideration, a reasonable conclusion is that Cecilia was the daughter of Roger and Agnes de Valognes. This would suggest that Gunnor has been misidentified as the daughter of Robert de Essex by Keats-Rohan in DD 451, but was actually the daughter of Henry and Cecilia de Essex, as well as the sister of Agnes, wife of Aubrey de Vere. Onomastically it is a good match - Agnes the first born daughter was named for Cecily's mother and Gunnor the second daughter was named for Henry's mother.'[9]
Source:
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.1

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henry de Essex: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00109446&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2008] MJ Carr, "Carr email 18 Dec 2005: "Re: The early Wroths of Enfield, Middlesex "," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 18 Dec 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Carr email 18 Dec 2005."

Roger de Valognes1

M, #64017
FatherRoger de Valognes of Bennington, co. Herts1,2 d. c 1142
MotherAgnes fitz John1 d. a 1184
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1 Roger de Valognes was also known as Roger de Valoins.1

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roger de Valoins, of Benington: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00437136&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

John de Valognes1

M, #64018
FatherRoger de Valognes of Bennington, co. Herts1 d. c 1142
MotherAgnes fitz John1 d. a 1184
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1 John de Valognes was also known as John de Valoins.1

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."

Emma Fossard1

F, #64019, d. 1167
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited3 Dec 2004
     Emma Fossard married Bertram de Bulmer, son of Anketil de Bulmer.1
Emma Fossard died in 1167.1
     GAV-25.

Family

Bertram de Bulmer d. 1166
Child

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."

Henry de Valoignes1

M, #64020, d. before 1191
FatherGeoffrey de Valoignes of Sutton, Yorks., and Great Saling, Essex1 d. 1169
MotherEmma de Bulmer1 d. b 1208
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     Henry de Valoignes died before 1191; dsp.1
     ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1

; John Ravilious cites: Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v8KdQqA2zSY/m/uz35oFhwDgwJ) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."