Elizabeth May1

F, #51091, d. before 26 June 2643
Last Edited27 Jan 2019
     Elizabeth May married Baptist Hicks 1st Viscount Campden on 6 September 1584 at Allhallows, Bread St., London, City of London, Greater London, England.2
Elizabeth May died before 26 June 2643.1
     ; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: II 515.1

Family

Baptist Hicks 1st Viscount Campden b. c 1551, d. 18 Oct 1629
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth May: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00052151&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baptist Hicks: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00052150&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hon. Mary Hicks: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198921&tree=LEO

Sybilla Drummond1

F, #51092, d. 1501
FatherJohn Drummond 1st Lord Drummond1
MotherLady Elizabeth Lindsay1
Last Edited2 Oct 2002
     Sybilla Drummond died in 1501; poisoned with two of her sisters.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Drummond, Earls of Perth Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Elizabeth Sinclair1

F, #51094
FatherHenry Sinclair Jarl of Orkney, Lord of Roslin, 1st Earl of Orkney2,3 b. c 1345, d. bt 1400 - 1401
MotherJean Halyburton of Dirleton4,5,6
Last Edited18 Aug 2019
     Elizabeth Sinclair married Sir John Drummond of Cargill and Stobhall, son of Sir John Drummond of Stobhall and Mary de Montfichet, before 13 May 1396.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Drummond, Earls of Perth Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Drummond, Earls of Perth Family Page - see CAITHNESS, E.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henry Sinclair, Jarl of Orkney, 1st Earl of Orkney, Lord of Rosslyn: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00127746&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Sinclair Earls of Caithness Family Page.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean Halyburton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00127748&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean Halyburton, of Dirleton: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00127748&tree=LEO

Sir Humphrey Bourchier1,2

M, #51095, d. 14 April 1471
FatherSir Henry Bourgchier Knt., KG, 1st Earl of Essex, 2nd Earl of Ewe1,3,2 b. 1406, d. 1483
MotherIsabel (?) of York1,3 b. 1409, d. 2 Oct 1484
Last Edited7 Sep 2008
     Sir Humphrey Bourchier married Joan Stanhope, daughter of Sir Richard Stanhope of Rampton, Notts and Maud de Cromwell, before 14 February 1456.1,3,2,4
Sir Humphrey Bourchier died on 14 April 1471 at Battle of Barnet, Barnet, (now a London Borough), England; dsp, ka fighting on EDWARD IV's side Battle of Barnet.1
     ; 3rd s of 1st Earl of Essex of the 1461 cr (see ESSEX, E, preliminary remarks.)1 He was called to Parl 25 July 1461 by writs made out to 'Bourchier de Cromwell' or 'Cromwell' whereby he has been deemed to have been either 1st and last LORD (Baron) CROMWELL of a new (1461) cr or 4th Lord (Baron) Cromwell in right of his w on 25 July 1461.1

Family

Joan Stanhope d. 10 Mar 1490

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Cromwell Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Cromwell - Barons Cromwell of Tatshall, co. Lincoln, p. 147. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  3. [S1429] Notable British Families, Notable British Families CD # 367, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), p. 65.
  4. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Digges 13: p. 272. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.

Mariot Murray of Tullibardine1,2

F, #51096
FatherSir David Murray of Tullibardine1,2
MotherMargaret Colquhoun3,2
Last Edited6 Jul 2006
     Mariot Murray of Tullibardine married Malcolm Drummond of Stobhall, son of Sir Walter Drummond and Margaret Ruthven, circa 14 July 1445; per van de Pas date is of contract or similar.1,2
     ; van de Pas cites: 1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H. R. H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: Q 5323
2. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage, and Knightage, London, 1938, Reference: 1951
3. the Royal House of Stuart, London, 1969, 1971, 1976, Addington, A. C., Reference: III 107.2

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Drummond, Earls of Perth Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mariot(a)/Marion Murray: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108471&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Colquhoun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080281&tree=LEO
  4. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Drummond, Earls of Perth Family Page - see ATHOLL, D.

Sir David Murray of Tullibardine1

M, #51097
Last Edited6 Jul 2006
     Sir David Murray of Tullibardine married Margaret Colquhoun, daughter of Sir John Colquhoun of Luss and (?) Boyd, in 1430.2,3

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Drummond, Earls of Perth Family Page - see ATHOLL, D. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Colquhoun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080281&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir David Murray, of Tullibardine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080280&tree=LEO
  4. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Drummond, Earls of Perth Family Page.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mariot(a)/Marion Murray: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108471&tree=LEO

Duncan (?) Lay Abbot of Dunkeld1

M, #51098, d. circa 965
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited30 May 2020
     Duncan (?) Lay Abbot of Dunkeld died circa 965 at Battle of Duncrub, Scotland.1
     GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29.

; Per Burke's: "DUNCAN (see also O'NEILL, B), Lay Abbot (i.e., protector of the Abbey) of Dunkeld (to the north of Perth in what subsequently became the Scottish county of Perthshire); k Battle of Duncrub c 965 (fighting for Colin, representative of a rival royal line of Aodh, when the latter was defeated by Duff, est s of MALCOLM I King of Scots.)1"

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Gospatric III (?) 3rd Earl of Dunbar1

M, #51099, b. circa 1090, d. between 1156 and 1166
FatherGospatric II (?) 2nd Earl of Dunbar1,2 b. c 1062, d. 23 Aug 1138
MotherSybil Morel1,2
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited4 Aug 2020
     Gospatric III (?) 3rd Earl of Dunbar married Derdere (?)1,2 Gospatric III (?) 3rd Earl of Dunbar was born circa 1090.2
Gospatric III (?) 3rd Earl of Dunbar died between 1156 and 1166; Burke's says d. 1156-66; Genealogics says d. 1166.1,2
     GAV-24.

; Per Genealogics: "Cospatrick, 3rd Earl 'of Dunbar', son of Cospatrick, 2nd Earl 'of Dunbar', and his wife Sybil, married Deredere whose origins are unknown. In 1140 he witnessed a charter as _Cospatricus, Comes_. He founded the Cistercian nunneries at Coldstream and Eccles, County Berwick, and died in 1166."2

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard. 603.
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. IV 505.2
Gospatric III (?) 3rd Earl of Dunbar was also known as Cospatrick (?) 3rd Earl of Dunbar.2

Family 2

Children

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Cospatrick: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164965&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 410 (Chart 22). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN of Dunbar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00332922&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#dauGospatrickMGillbrideAngus. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2003] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email #2 10 Nov 2005: "The Merlay-Somerville-Griffith descent"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 10 Nov 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email #2 10 Nov 2005."
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Patric of the Hirsel: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00280933&tree=LEO

Derdere (?)1

F, #51100
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited4 Aug 2020
     Derdere (?) married Gospatric III (?) 3rd Earl of Dunbar, son of Gospatric II (?) 2nd Earl of Dunbar and Sybil Morel.1,2
     GAV-25.

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Cospatrick: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164965&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 410 (Chart 22). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN of Dunbar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00332922&tree=LEO

Alan (?)1

M, #51101, d. after 16 August 1139
FatherGospatric II (?) 2nd Earl of Dunbar1 b. c 1062, d. 23 Aug 1138
MotherSybil Morel1
Last Edited8 Nov 2019
     Alan (?) died after 16 August 1139; dspms.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Aline (?)1

F, #51102, d. 20 August 1179
Last Edited3 Sep 2007
     Aline (?) married Waltheof/Waldeve (?) 4th Earl of Dunbar, son of Gospatric III (?) 3rd Earl of Dunbar and Derdere (?).1
Aline (?) died on 20 August 1179.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S2094] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Sept 2006: "A Royal Descent (conjectured): William the Lion to MacDowall and Tweedie"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Sept 2006."

Christian/Cristina fitz Alan1,2,3

F, #51103
FatherWalter Fitz Alan 1st Great Steward of Scotland2,4,3 d. 1177
MotherEschina of Huntlaw (?)2,4
ReferenceGAV23
Last Edited7 Apr 2020
     Christian/Cristina fitz Alan married Patrick de Dunbar 4th Earl of Dunbar, son of Waltheof/Waldeve (?) 4th Earl of Dunbar and Aline (?), before 1208;
His 2nd wife; her 2nd husband.1,3 Christian/Cristina fitz Alan married William de Brus Lord of Annandale, son of Robert de Brus II and Euphemia (?) d'Aumale; her 1st husband.1,4,3
     GAV-23.

; per van de Pas: "Edmund Fitzalan's father wanted to get rid of the woman to whom he had been married as a child, and who, since her father's attainder and execution, had ceased to be of any importance. As well, wanting to marry the woman with whom he was then living in adultery, he requested annulment from the Pope, who not only obliged but bastardised their son, Edmund. As a result it was his younger half-brother who became the next Earl of Arundel."5

; van de Pas cites: Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-century Colonists 1996, Baltimore, 1st Edition, Faris, David, Reference: 55.5

; The account in CP concerning Cristina or Christine, 2nd wife of
Patrick, Earl of Dunbar (d. 1232) states without documentation,

' He m., 2ndly, before 4 Dec. 1214, Christine, widow of
William Bruce, of Annandale. ' [1]

The account in Scots Peerage provides no further evidence as to the
ancestry of Cristina. One other record was previously found, dated 11
Nov 1218, concerning an agreement between Patrick, Earl of Dunbar;
Cristina, his Countess; and Robert de Brus, her eldest son by her first
husband, with regards to Cristina's dower rights [2]. Interesting as
this document is, it provides no further evidence concerning her
parentage.

Andrew B. W. MacEwen, the noted Scots genealogist, published an
article in The Genealogist in 2003 which resolved this deficiency. In
that article, Mr. MacEwen identified Cristina as a daughter of Walter
fitz Alan (d. 1177), the first Steward of Scotland of that family [3].
While this does not directly impact the ancestry of the Earls of Dunbar,
as Earl Patrick's issue were by his 1st wife, it does bear on the
ancestry of the Bruce Lords of Annandale, subsequently Earls of Carrick
and Kings of Scots: a great many individuals (including most, if not
all, of the Royal Houses of Europe) have ancestry impacted by this
discovery.

Cheers,

John *



NOTES

[1] CP IV:505, sub _Dunbar_ .

[2] An agreement between Robert de Brus and Patrick, earl of Dunbar and
C. the countess, records that Patrick was to retain one third of the
market of Hartlepool, co. Durham (Calendar of Documents Relating to
Scotland, i, 1108–1272, p. 123, no. 700). '

' #700. Nov. 11, 1218.
Agreement made at the Feast of St. Martin in the year of the Incarnation
1218. between P[atric] earl of Dunbar, and C[hristina?] the countess,
and Sir R[obert] de Brys; viz., the earl and Countess have demised to
Sir Robert all the land they have in Hertnissa (Hertness), viz., of the
countess dower, for the term of eight years, for £36 of silver, and 6s.
yearly, one moiety at Pentecost and the other at Martinmas; saving the
third part of the market and fair of Hertpulle (Hartlepool), to the earl
and Countess, if they and the said Robert can acquire these. And it is
to be observed that Sir Robert shall pay the money to the said earl and
his mother C. the Countess, so long as they shall warrant the said land
to him. Also the said Sir Robert shall not demise the said land for
eight years in such mode as he received it from his grandfather (avi).
His pledges are:--- Humphrey de Cardino (Jardine), Hugh de Corri,
William de Heriz, Robert de Crossebi, Richard de Bosco, G. son of John
(Johnston), Robert de Tremor. [Duchy of Lancaster, Cartae Miscellanae, Vol. III, p.12].'

[3] Andrew B. W. MacEwen, SEVEN SCOTTISH COUNTESSES: A MISCELLANY, III.
Cristina de Brus, Countess of Dunbar: The Genealogist, Fall 2003 (Volume 17, No.
2), pp. 223-233


* John P. Ravilious.2

Christian/Cristina fitz Alan was also known as Cristina fitz Alan.4

Family 1

Patrick de Dunbar 4th Earl of Dunbar b. 1152, d. 31 Dec 1232

Family 2

William de Brus Lord of Annandale d. 16 Jul 1212
Children

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1776] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 30 Oct 2004 "CP Correction: Cristina, 2nd wife of Patrick, Earl of Dunbar (d. 1232)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 30 Oct 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 30 Oct 2004."
  3. [S2086] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 5 Aug 2006: "re: Eupheme de Brus"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 5 Aug 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 5 Aug 2006."
  4. [S1826] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Nov 2004 "The 'Turnberry Band' : A Genealogical Perspective"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Nov 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Nov 2004."
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Edmund Fitzalan: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00315543&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Euphemia de Brus: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006198&tree=LEO

William de Brus Lord of Annandale1

M, #51104, d. 16 July 1212
FatherRobert de Brus II2,3 b. 1119, d. c 1194
MotherEuphemia (?) d'Aumale2,3 b. bt 1130 - 1134
ReferenceGAV21
Last Edited2 Mar 2008
     William de Brus Lord of Annandale married Christian/Cristina fitz Alan, daughter of Walter Fitz Alan 1st Great Steward of Scotland and Eschina of Huntlaw (?); her 1st husband.4,1,3
William de Brus Lord of Annandale died on 16 July 1212; per Findlater (email 1 Feb 2005): William Bruce of Annandale died on 16 July 1212. This is shown by Prof Duncan in a paper in the TDGNHAS Vol 69, 1994. He goes through all the death dates of the Bruces of Annandale, based on the liturgical calendar of Guisborough Priory, which only gives the
day and month. The year Duncan arrives at in the same way as above, but with additional data from the Pipe Rolls, which show that in 1211 William Bruce paid off his arrears of scutage as recorded in 1210, £7: 9s: 8d.

per Stewart (email 1 Feb 2005): It could be useful to have the reference for Duncan's paper spelled out (correctly I hope): _Transactions of the Dumfriesshire and Galloway Natural History and Antiquarian Society_ 69 (1994).5,6
     GAV-21.

; per Ravilious: William de Brus
Death: 16 Jun 1212[1],[2],[3]
Occ: Lord of Annandale
Father: Robert de Brus (-?1193)
Mother: Eufemia de Aumale

of Hartlepool, co. Durham
Lord of Annandale [Scot.]

'William de Brus', witness [with Bernard de Brus and others] to
charter of Robert de Brus * granted Elton, near Stockton, to
William de Humetz, before 1184 [EYC II:4, no. 650 -note 3; cites Brit. Mus., Cott. ch. xviii, 50][3]

grant of a messuage in Hartlepool to the monks of Durham by
father Robert de Brus witnessed by sons,
'Roberto, Willelmo et Bernardo filiis meis..' and others,
ca. 1170-1190 [EYC II:8, no. 658][3]

record of an assessment, 1194-5:
' 229. Cumberland: -
For the scutage of knights in Cumberland after the
K.'s [Richard's] second coronation..... William de Brus
accounts for 10s. '
[Cal. Doc. Scotland I:35[1], cites Pipe Roll 6 Ric. I, Rot. 9]

had charters for a market [mercatum] and fair, granted 1201 by
King John to William de Brus; ' William owed 20m. for having
a market and a fair lasting three days ' (PR, 3 John,
pp. 249–50)[2]

* called Robert II de Brus (more likely, the father of William)


Re: his wife Christian, or Cristina:

her dower included a third of the manor of Hartlepool, co.
Durham, as evidenced by agreement with her son and heir Robert
de Brus:
' On 11 Nov 1218, an agreement between Robert Brus and Patrick,
earl of Dunbar and C. the countess, records that Patrick was
to retain one third of the market (Calendar of Documents
relating to Scotland, i, 1108–1272, p. 123, no. 700). '[2]

identified by Andrew B. W. MacEwen as Christian/Christina le
Stewart, daughter of Walter fitz Alan[4],[5]

she m. 1stly William de Brus,
2ndly Patrick, earl of Dunbar[6]

Spouse: Christian 'filia Walter'
Father: Walter fitz Alan (-1177)
Mother: Eschina of Huntlaw

Children: Euphemia (-ca1267)
Robert (-<1237)
NN, m. Fearcher, earl of Ross
NN, a son

Ravilious cites:
1. Joseph Bain, ed., "Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland,"
Edinburgh: Her Majesty's General Register House, 1881 (Vol. I),
full title: Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland,
Preserved in Her Majesty's Public Record Office, London.
2. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516,"
http://www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/
3. William Farrer, Hon.D.Litt., Editor, "Early Yorkshire Charters,"
Ballantyne, Hanson & Co., Edinburgh, 1915-1916, Vol. II (1915)
Vol. III (1916), Vol. XII [the family of Constable of Flamborough], courtesy Rosie Bevan, Vol. V [Manfield fee, pp. 53-58 ], courtesy Rosie Bevan, wife of Robert Marmion>, SGM, 26 Feb 2002.
4. Andrew B. W. MacEwen, "telephone conference re: (1) Isabel
de Dunbar, wife of Roger fitz John of Warkworth," (2) Christina
Stewart, countess of Dunbar; (3) Cecilia, dau. of John fitz
Robert of Wark, reference made to his publications on The Seven
Countesses, and 1999 article on Alexander Sutherland of Dunbeath
and his mistress, Catherine Chalmers, 28 October 2004, notes,
library of John P. Ravilious.
5. Andrew B. W. MacEwen, "SEVEN SCOTTISH COUNTESSES: A MISCELLANY,
III. Cristina de Brus, Countess of Dunbar," The Genealogist,
Fall 2003 (Volume 17, No. 2), pp. 223-233, identifieds Christina
Stewart, countess of Dunbar, part of a series on 'the Seven
Scottish Countesses', per telephone conference 28 October 2004,
notes, library of John P. Ravilious.
6. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh:
David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
7. Andrew B. W. MacEwen, "A Clarification of the Dunbar Pedigree,"
The Genealogist, Vol. 9, No. 2, 1991, pp. 229-241, cites Joseph
Stevenson, ed., Cronica de Mailros, E Codice Unico in
Bibliotheca Cottoniana Servato (Edinburgh, 1835), and other
sources.
8. George Chalmers, "Caledonia, Or, A Historical and Topographical
Account of North Britain."
9. Alan O. Anderson, "Scottish Annals from English Chroniclers,
A.D. 500 to 1286," London: David Nutt, 1908.
10. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland
Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
11. Edward Bateson, "A History of Northumberland," London: Simpkin,
Marshall, Hamilton, Kent, & Company, Limited, 1895, Vol.
II - Embleton parish (Rennington and Broxfield), pp. 151-153),
images, courtesy Ancestry.com.
12. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and
Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
13. William Farrer, Litt.D., "Honors and Knights' Fees," London:
Spottiswoode, Ballantyne & Co., Ltd., 1924 (3 vols.), Vol I:,
Vol II: Chester; Huntingdon, Vol III: Arundel, Eudes the Sewer,
Warenne.
14. G. W. S. Barrow, "Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm
of Scotland," Edinburgh University Press, 1976 (2nd ed.)
15. Charles J. Leslie, "Historical Records of the Family of
Leslie," Edinburgh: Edmonston and Douglas, 1869.pdf image
files provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com.
16. William Paley Baildon, F.S.A., "Notes on the Religious and
Secular Houses of Yorkshire, Vol. I," The Yorkshire
Archaeological Society Record Series, Vol. XVII, Printed for the
Society, 1894.
17. William Fraser, "The Red Book of Menteith," Edinburgh: 1880,
.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com
www.genealogy.com, history and evidences concerning the
Earls and Earldom of Mentieth.
18. Joseph Stevenson, "Documents illustrative of the history of
Scotland from the death of King Alexander the Third to the
Accession of Robert Bruce," Edinburgh: H. M. General Register
House, 1870 (Vol. I).
19. "Clan Stirling,"
http://www.clanstirling.org/uploads/ragmanrolls.pdf
provides .pdf file of the names of those who swore allegiance
to Edward I of England at Berwick, 1296 (the 'Ragman Rolls').
20. "Access to Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
21. Brian Timms, "St George's Roll," College of Arms, London, MS
Vincent 164 ff 1-21b., http://www.briantimms.com/rolls/
Dated c1285. Painted, containing 677 shields., Source: Gerard J
Brault, Rolls of Arms of Edward I, Boydell & Brewer, 1997.3 William de Brus Lord of Annandale was also known as William Bruce of Annandale.4

Citations

  1. [S1826] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Nov 2004 "The 'Turnberry Band' : A Genealogical Perspective"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Nov 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Nov 2004."
  2. [S1872] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 1 Feb 2005: "Re: William de Brus, d. before 13 June 1213"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 1 Feb 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 1 Feb 2005."
  3. [S2086] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 5 Aug 2006: "re: Eupheme de Brus"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 5 Aug 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 5 Aug 2006."
  4. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  5. [S1870] Alex Maxwell Findlater, "Findlater email 1 Feb 2005: "Re: William de Brus, d. before 13 June 1213"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 1 Feb 2005, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as "Findlater email 1 Feb 2005."
  6. [S1871] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 1 Feb 2005: "Re: William de Brus, d. before 13 June 1213"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 1 Feb 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 1 Feb 2005."
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Euphemia de Brus: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006198&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Euphemia de Brus1

F, #51105, d. circa 1267
FatherWilliam de Brus Lord of Annandale1,2 d. 16 Jul 1212
MotherChristian/Cristina fitz Alan1
ReferenceEDV23
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Euphemia de Brus married Patrick de Dunbar 5th Earl of Dunbar, Earl of March, son of Patrick de Dunbar 4th Earl of Dunbar and Ada (?) of Scotland, before 1213.3,4
Euphemia de Brus died circa 1267.5
     ; per Ravilious: Euphemia de Brus
Death: ca 1267[6],[7]

' Euphemia, married Patrick, sixth Earl of Dunbar '
[ SP I:12, which gives her in error as daughter of Walter
fitz Alan the Steward; also, III:256-7, sub Dunbar, Earl
of Dunbar[6] ]

she had the manor of Birkynside, co. Lauderdale as her maritagium:
' The earl had with her in marriage the lands of Birkenside in
Lower Lauderdale, which had been granted to the first Stewart by
Malcolm IV. It was from the firm of those lands, that the Earl,
her husband, granted an annuity to the canons of Dryburgh. After
her husband's death, "Domina Euphemia comitissa sponse quondum
Patricii com. de Dunbar nunc in sua viduatate existen.," confirmed
to those canons the same annuity, "a firmis terrarum mearum
matrimonalium de Birkenside." ' [Chalmers p. 242[8] note (f),
cites Chart. Dryb., No. 85. Also SP III:256, cites Registrum
de Dryburgh, 84, 85[6] ]

~ identification as Euphemia de Brus (correction of account in SP
which shows her as a daughter of Walter le Stewart) by Andrew
B. W. MacEwen[4]
[ previously thought to have been possibly a 2nd wife, as Patrick,
7th Earl of Dunbar was b. say 1213 (SP III:257), evidently older
than Alexander le Stewart, supposed brother of Euphemia[6] ]

' Euphemia de Brus ', widow of the Earl of Dunbar, confirmed
a grant after 1248 [TG IX:231[7], cites Thompson, Northumberland
Pleas p. 215, no. 652]

Spouse: Patrick, Earl of Dunbar
Death: aft 14 Apr 1248, Marseilles (en route to Crusade)[6],[9]
Birth: ca 1185[7]
Father: Patrick of Dunbar (1152-1232)
Mother: Ada of Scotland (-1200)

Children: Patrick (<1213-1289)
Waldeve, rector of Dunbar
Isabel, m. (1) Roger fitz John, of Warkworth

Ravilious cites:
1. Joseph Bain, ed., "Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland,"
Edinburgh: Her Majesty's General Register House, 1881 (Vol. I),
full title: Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland,
Preserved in Her Majesty's Public Record Office, London.
2. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516,"
http://www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/
3. William Farrer, Hon.D.Litt., Editor, "Early Yorkshire Charters,"
Ballantyne, Hanson & Co., Edinburgh, 1915-1916, Vol. II (1915)
Vol. III (1916), Vol. XII [the family of Constable of Flamborough], courtesy Rosie Bevan, Vol. V [Manfield fee, pp. 53-58 ], courtesy Rosie Bevan, wife of Robert Marmion>, SGM, 26 Feb 2002.
4. Andrew B. W. MacEwen, "telephone conference re: (1) Isabel
de Dunbar, wife of Roger fitz John of Warkworth," (2) Christina
Stewart, countess of Dunbar; (3) Cecilia, dau. of John fitz
Robert of Wark, reference made to his publications on The Seven
Countesses, and 1999 article on Alexander Sutherland of Dunbeath
and his mistress, Catherine Chalmers, 28 October 2004, notes,
library of John P. Ravilious.
5. Andrew B. W. MacEwen, "SEVEN SCOTTISH COUNTESSES: A MISCELLANY,
III. Cristina de Brus, Countess of Dunbar," The Genealogist,
Fall 2003 (Volume 17, No. 2), pp. 223-233, identifieds Christina
Stewart, countess of Dunbar, part of a series on 'the Seven
Scottish Countesses', per telephone conference 28 October 2004,
notes, library of John P. Ravilious.
6. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh:
David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
7. Andrew B. W. MacEwen, "A Clarification of the Dunbar Pedigree,"
The Genealogist, Vol. 9, No. 2, 1991, pp. 229-241, cites Joseph
Stevenson, ed., Cronica de Mailros, E Codice Unico in
Bibliotheca Cottoniana Servato (Edinburgh, 1835), and other
sources.
8. George Chalmers, "Caledonia, Or, A Historical and Topographical
Account of North Britain."
9. Alan O. Anderson, "Scottish Annals from English Chroniclers,
A.D. 500 to 1286," London: David Nutt, 1908.
10. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland
Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
11. Edward Bateson, "A History of Northumberland," London: Simpkin,
Marshall, Hamilton, Kent, & Company, Limited, 1895, Vol.
II - Embleton parish (Rennington and Broxfield), pp. 151-153),
images, courtesy Ancestry.com.
12. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and
Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
13. William Farrer, Litt.D., "Honors and Knights' Fees," London:
Spottiswoode, Ballantyne & Co., Ltd., 1924 (3 vols.), Vol I:,
Vol II: Chester; Huntingdon, Vol III: Arundel, Eudes the Sewer,
Warenne.
14. G. W. S. Barrow, "Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm
of Scotland," Edinburgh University Press, 1976 (2nd ed.)
15. Charles J. Leslie, "Historical Records of the Family of
Leslie," Edinburgh: Edmonston and Douglas, 1869.pdf image
files provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com.
16. William Paley Baildon, F.S.A., "Notes on the Religious and
Secular Houses of Yorkshire, Vol. I," The Yorkshire
Archaeological Society Record Series, Vol. XVII, Printed for the
Society, 1894.
17. William Fraser, "The Red Book of Menteith," Edinburgh: 1880,
.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com
www.genealogy.com, history and evidences concerning the
Earls and Earldom of Mentieth.
18. Joseph Stevenson, "Documents illustrative of the history of
Scotland from the death of King Alexander the Third to the
Accession of Robert Bruce," Edinburgh: H. M. General Register
House, 1870 (Vol. I).
19. "Clan Stirling,"
http://www.clanstirling.org/uploads/ragmanrolls.pdf
provides .pdf file of the names of those who swore allegiance
to Edward I of England at Berwick, 1296 (the 'Ragman Rolls').
20. "Access to Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
21. Brian Timms, "St George's Roll," College of Arms, London, MS
Vincent 164 ff 1-21b., http://www.briantimms.com/rolls/
Dated c1285. Painted, containing 677 shields., Source: Gerard J
Brault, Rolls of Arms of Edward I, Boydell & Brewer, 1997.2 EDV-23.

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Euphemia de Brus: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006198&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2086] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 5 Aug 2006: "re: Eupheme de Brus"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 5 Aug 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 5 Aug 2006."
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Patrick Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164954&tree=LEO
  5. [S2063] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 19 April 2006: "Re: de Clavering family"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 19 April 2006."
  6. [S1822] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2004 "Euphemia, Countess of Ross (was Re: Magna Carta line of Eufemia)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 28 Oct 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2004."
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Patrick Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164955&tree=LEO

Joan Stanhope1,2,3

F, #51106, d. 10 March 1490
FatherSir Richard Stanhope of Rampton, Notts1,2,4 d. 1436
MotherMaud de Cromwell1,2,5
Last Edited7 Sep 2008
     Joan Stanhope married Sir Humphrey Bourchier, son of Sir Henry Bourgchier Knt., KG, 1st Earl of Essex, 2nd Earl of Ewe and Isabel (?) of York, before 14 February 1456.1,6,2,3 Joan Stanhope married Sir Robert Radclyffe of Hunstanton, Norfolk after April 1471.1,3
Joan Stanhope died on 10 March 1490; dsp.1,3
     ; JOAN; m 1st by 14 Feb 1455/6 Sir Humphrey Bourchier (3rd s of 1st Earl of Essex of the 1461 cr (see ESSEX, E, preliminary remarks); dsp, ka fighting on EDWARD IV's side Battle of Barnet 14 April 1471), who was called to Parl 25 July 1461 by writs made out to 'Bourchier de Cromwell' or 'Cromwell' whereby he has been deemed to have been either 1st and last LORD (Baron) CROMWELL of a new (1461) cr or 4th Lord (Baron) Cromwell in right of his w; she m 2nd Sir Robert Radclyffe, of Hunstanton, Norfolk, and dsp 10 March 1490.1

Family 1

Sir Humphrey Bourchier d. 14 Apr 1471

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Cromwell Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Cromwell - Barons Cromwell of Tatshall, co. Lincoln, p. 147. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Digges 13: p. 272. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard Stanhope: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108535&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud Cromwell: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108536&tree=LEO
  6. [S1429] Notable British Families, Notable British Families CD # 367, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), p. 65.

Cecilia FitzJohn1

F, #51107
FatherJohn Fitz Robert Lord of Warkworth, co. Northumberland2,3 b. c 188, d. 1240
MotherAda de Baliol1,3,4 b. 1204, d. 29 Jul 1251
Last Edited7 Nov 2020
     Cecilia FitzJohn married Patrick de Dunbar 6th Earl of Dunbar, son of Patrick de Dunbar 5th Earl of Dunbar, Earl of March and Euphemia de Brus, in 1242.2,1,5
     Cecilia FitzJohn was also known as Cecilia Fraser.2,6

Family

Patrick de Dunbar 6th Earl of Dunbar b. b 13 Dec 1213, d. 24 Aug 1289
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Cecilia FitzJohn: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164956&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S2063] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 19 April 2006: "Re: de Clavering family"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 19 April 2006."
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ada Baliol: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139370&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Patrick Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164955&tree=LEO
  6. [S1775] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #1 30 Oct 2004 "CP Correction: Cecilia, wife of Patrick, Earl of Dunbar"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 30 Oct 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #1 30 Oct 2004."
  7. [S1822] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2004 "Euphemia, Countess of Ross (was Re: Magna Carta line of Eufemia)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 28 Oct 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2004."
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Patrick Dunbar 'Black Beard': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164957&tree=LEO

Patrick de Dunbar 8th Earl of Dunbar, 2nd Earl of March1

M, #51109, b. circa 1285, d. 11 November 1368
FatherPatrick 'Black Beard' de Dunbar 7th Earl of Dunbar, 1st Earl of March1,2 b. b 11 Nov 1242, d. 10 Oct 1308
MotherLady Marjory Comyn1,3 d. a 29 Apr 1296
Last Edited24 Apr 2018
     Patrick de Dunbar 8th Earl of Dunbar, 2nd Earl of March was born circa 1285.1,4 He married Ermengarde de Soulis, daughter of William de Soulis and Ermengarde Durwood, before 1303.1,4 Patrick de Dunbar 8th Earl of Dunbar, 2nd Earl of March married Agnes "Black Agnes" Randolph, daughter of Thomas Randolph 1st Earl of Moray, Regent of Scotland and Isabel Stewart Lady of Garlies, after September 1320.1,4
Patrick de Dunbar 8th Earl of Dunbar, 2nd Earl of March died on 11 November 1368; dspms.1
     He was 2nd Earl of March.1

; PATRICK de DUNBAR, 8th EARL OF DUNBAR/(2nd) EARL OF MARCH; b c 1285; initially pro-English, playing host at Dunbar Castle to the defeated EDWARD II after the rout of Bannockburn 1314 and facilitating his escape back to England; later supported Scottish independence and helped take Berwick 1318 (by which time Sheriff Lothian); cmded Scottish troops at defeats by English of Dupplin 1332 and Halidon Hill 1333, following which he again went over to the English but after a year or so ratted on them a second time, subsequently cmdg the Scottish left wing at the defeat by the English of Neville's Cross 1346; he appears to have deserted the Scots Crown yet a third time by Feb 1360/1 since in that month he is called a rebel and his lands are pronounced forfeited; m 1st by 1303 Ermengarde -; m 2nd just after Sept 1320 Agnes (known as 'Black Agnes'; held Dunbar Castle nearly five months against the English from Jan 1337/8 until they raised the siege entirely), dau of Thomas Randolph, 1st Earl of Moray (see MORAY, E, preliminary remarks), was cr in right of her EARL OF MARCH AND MORAY 1357/8, resigning his Earldom of Dunbar/March to the Crown for regrant 25 July 1368 to his great-nephew and heir male GEORGE (see below), and dspms 11 Nov 1368, by which time the Earldom of March and Moray appears to have reverted to the Crown.1

; From: "John P. Ravilious"
Subject: Re: Patrick Dunbar / Agnes Randolph
Date: 1 Dec 2005 11:50:24 -0800
References: <202.f3d32ca.30c0a79a@aol.com>
In-Reply-To: <202.f3d32ca.30c0a79a@aol.com>

Dear Will,

Following is the account from CP IV:507-8, sub DUNBAR, verbatim. Note, this is the (in my opinion) "conflated" Patrick, shown as m. 1stly to Ermengarde, 2ndly to Agnes Randolph.

Cheers,

John


" VIII. 1308. 8. PATRICK (DE DUNBAR), EARL OF MARCH, or DUNBAR [S.], b. about 1285; was with his father in 1300 (when but 15) at Carlaverock. He was aged 24 in 1308/9, having had livery of his father's lands 10 Nov. 1308. He, like his father, favoured the English faction, and after the defeat of Edward II at Bannockburn, 24 June 1314, received him into his castle of Dunbar and enabled him to escape to England. After losing this unexampled opportunity of serving his countrymen, he went over to their side, and was in the Parl. at Ayr in Apr. 1315, when the succession to the Crown [S.] was settled; was at the capture of Berwick, Mar. 1318, then being Sheriff of Lothian; signed the letter, 1320, to the Pope asserting the independence of Scotland; was at the defeat of Dupplin, 12 Aug. 1332, and of Halidon Hill, 19 July 1333, at which time the fort of Berwick, of which he was Governor, was surrendered to Edward III, and he himself for the 2nd time joined the English side, which he again, in the next year, deserted, and assisted in some small skirmishes against them, while his gallant Countess maintained a nineteen weeks' siege, from Jan. 1337/8, of the Castle of Dunbar by the English, whom she forced to retire therefrom . He was at the defeat of the Scots in the battle of Durham, 17 Oct. 1346, and was one of the sureties for the release of David II from captivity in 1357, receiving from him various grants, the town of Dunbar being erected a free burgh in his favour. On 18 Feb. 1360/1 he is described in Close Rolls as an enemy and rebel whose lands are forfeited. He m., 1stly, in or shortly before 1303, Ermengarde. On 26 June 1304 she is mentioned as being pregnant. He m. 2ndly, shortly after Sep. 1320, Agnes , elder da. of Thomas (RANDOLPH), 1st Earl of Moray [S.], sometime Regent [S.], by Isabel, (probably) da. of Sir John Stewart, of Bonkill. This lady, usually known as "Black Agnes", the heroine (as before mentioned) of the siege of Dunbar, became (17 Oct. 1346) by the death of her br., John, 3rd Earl of Moray [S.], a coh. of that family, whose estates included the Isle of Man, the Lordship of Annandale, &c. She was living 24 May 1367. Earl Patrick in her right had, 1357-8, a grant of the EARLDOM OF MORAY [S.]. Both his sons being dead, s.p., he resigned his Earldom of March, or Dunbar, to the Crown, who granted the same, 25 July 1368, to his great-nephew and h. male, George Dunbar and "his heirs." He d. soon afterwards, 11 Nov. 1368 (having possessed his Earldom 60 years), aged about 83. "



They were commanded by William (de Montagu), Earl of Salisbury, &c. &c. [text discontinued: no documentation].\ He had Papal disp., 18 Aug. 1320, to m. Agnes, da. of Ralph [i.e. Randolph] of the diocese of St. Andrews, related to him in the 4th degree, and again 16 Jan. 1323/4, to remain m. to her though related in the 3rd and 4th degree. V.G.



The Earldom of Moray S. as conferred on Sir Thomas Randolph in 1314 was a male fief. It was, however, again conferred 9 Mar. 1371/2 on John de Dunbar, next br. of Earl George (who apparently was heir of line), both being sons of Sir Patrick Dunbar, by Isabel, yst. da. of Thomas (Randolph), Earl of Moray abovenamed.
Their names were Patrick, who was b. 1304 and d. before 5 Sep. 1351, and John, living 5 Sep. 1351, and 5 Oct. 1354, who d. before (this date) July 1368. This is the first record of any charter settling the title. In it the Earl is called Patricius Dunbarr, miles, ultimus Comes ejusdem, referring to the words totum comitatium marchie which appear in the line above. (ex. inform. A. H. Dunbar).

WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/30/05 8:37:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, therav3@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << The Earl Patrick conjectured as husband of Ermengarde (de Soulis)
> is the one who allegedly (1) was born say 1275, and (2) who d. ca.
> 1320/1324. >>
>
> Well why does she have to marry this one?
> Why not his father? Or even his grandfather?
> What's the documentary support for which one she married?
> Thanks
> Will Johnson.
4 He was 8th Earl of Dunbar.1

Family 1

Ermengarde de Soulis
Children

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Patrick Dunbar 'Black Beard': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164957&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marjory Comyn: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027695&tree=LEO
  4. [S2010] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 1 Dec 2005: "Re: Patrick Dunbar / Agnes Randolph"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 1 Dec 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 1 Dec 2005."

Ermengarde de Soulis1,2

F, #51110
FatherWilliam de Soulis2
MotherErmengarde Durwood2 b. bt 1245 - 1255
Last Edited13 Jan 2007

Family

Patrick de Dunbar 8th Earl of Dunbar, 2nd Earl of March b. c 1285, d. 11 Nov 1368
Children

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S2010] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 1 Dec 2005: "Re: Patrick Dunbar / Agnes Randolph"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 1 Dec 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 1 Dec 2005."

Agnes "Black Agnes" Randolph1

F, #51111
FatherThomas Randolph 1st Earl of Moray, Regent of Scotland1,2,3 d. 20 Jul 1332
MotherIsabel Stewart Lady of Garlies4,5,3 d. a 15 Jul 1351
Last Edited13 Jan 2007
     Agnes "Black Agnes" Randolph married Patrick de Dunbar 8th Earl of Dunbar, 2nd Earl of March, son of Patrick 'Black Beard' de Dunbar 7th Earl of Dunbar, 1st Earl of March and Lady Marjory Comyn, after September 1320.1,3
     Agnes "Black Agnes" Randolph was living on 24 May 1367.3

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas Randolph: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00005415&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2010] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 1 Dec 2005: "Re: Patrick Dunbar / Agnes Randolph"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 1 Dec 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 1 Dec 2005."
  4. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel Stewart: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164966&tree=LEO

Patrick de Dunbar1

M, #51112, b. 1304, d. before 5 September 1351
FatherPatrick de Dunbar 8th Earl of Dunbar, 2nd Earl of March1 b. c 1285, d. 11 Nov 1368
MotherErmengarde de Soulis1
Last Edited3 Oct 2002
     Patrick de Dunbar was born in 1304.1
Patrick de Dunbar died before 5 September 1351.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

John de Dunbar1

M, #51113, d. before July 1368
FatherPatrick de Dunbar 8th Earl of Dunbar, 2nd Earl of March1 b. c 1285, d. 11 Nov 1368
MotherErmengarde de Soulis1
Last Edited3 Oct 2002
     John de Dunbar died before July 1368.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Agnes de Dunbar1

F, #51114
FatherSir Patrick Dunbar2,3 d. 1356
MotherIsabel Randolph1,4,3 d. a 20 Jul 1361
Last Edited3 Sep 2019
     Agnes de Dunbar married Sir James 'the Elder' Douglas of Dalkeith, son of Sir John Douglas and Agnes de Graham, on 21 November 1374.5,6,7

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Patrick Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164973&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164970&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel Randolph: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164974&tree=LEO
  5. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page - see MORTON, E.
  6. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Morton Family Page.
  7. [S2000] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 9 Nov 2005: "SP Addition: Agnes Graham, wife of Sir John Douglas (d. ca. 1350)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 9 Nov 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 9 Nov 2005."
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes Douglas: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00322704&tree=LEO
  9. [S2066] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 5 May 2006: "SP Addition: ancestry of Elizabeth de Caldcotis (and Livingston of Kilsyth)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 5 May 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 5 May 2006."
  10. [S4719] John P. Ravilious, "The Earls of Menteith", The Scottish Genealogist LXIV:49-52 (June 2017): p. 51. Hereinafter cited as "The Earls of Menteith."

Sir James 'the Elder' Douglas of Dalkeith1

M, #51115, d. 1420
FatherSir John Douglas2,3,4,5 d. bt 25 Jan 1349 - 1350
MotherAgnes de Graham2,6,3,4,5
Last Edited3 Sep 2019
     Sir James 'the Elder' Douglas of Dalkeith married Agnes de Dunbar, daughter of Sir Patrick Dunbar and Isabel Randolph, on 21 November 1374.1,2,3 Sir James 'the Elder' Douglas of Dalkeith married Egidia (Gille) Stewart, daughter of Walter Stewart 6th Great Steward of Scotland and Isabel Graham, in October 1378; her 3rd husband.2,7,8
Sir James 'the Elder' Douglas of Dalkeith died in 1420.2
     ; James (Sir), of Dalkeith; m 1st 21 Nov 1372 Lady Agnes Dunbar, dau of 8th Earl of Dunbar/2nd Earl of March (see DUNBAR, Bt, of Mochrum), through whom he acquired Whittinghame, E Lothian; m 2nd 1378 Egidia, half-sis of ROBERT II and widow of (a) Sir James Lindsay of Crawford (see CRAWFORD and BALCARRES, E) and (b) Sir Hugh Eglinton, and d 1420.2

; I spoke earlier today with Andrew MacEwen, who had reviewed the evidence concerning the identification of Agnes de Graham as (1) wife of Sir John de Douglas, and (2) daughter of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337) by his wife. Andrew stated that he concurs in the identification, stating that he sees this as 'solid', expressing surprise (given the availablity of the Papal Letters at the time) that the author of the SP account for Douglas, Earl of Morton had missed the evidence.

With his confirmation of this identification, I am forwarding a brief AT for Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith (d. 1420). This may not provide a major addition to the ancestry of most Douglas of Dalkeith descendants, but for those without previously known Graham of Abercorn ancestry it will introduce a line of descent from the Earls of Strathearn, Muschamp of Wooler and a few other families.

A note to certain list members (Neil, Leo, Ian) that this will modify the ancestry of King Charles II, and of Prince William. The identification numbers for Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith (d. 1420) for both "A Medieval Heritage: The Ancestry of Charles II, King of England" and Genealogics are cited below.

Cheers,

John *
________________________________________________________


Ancestry of Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith


1 Sir James Douglas.
died in 1420.[1]

laird of Dalkeith

probably born before dispensation for his parents' marriage, 12 Oct 1344 [Papal Letters III:165[2]]

received grant of the lands of Dalkeith from his uncle Sir William Douglas, under entail of 3 Nov 1351 (confirmation by charter from King David II, 1369)[1],[3]

a dispute with Thomas Erskine, widower of cousin Maria Douglas, was resolved between 1365 and 30 June 1367 through trial by combat, between Sir James and Sir Thomas, before King David II:
' they fought fiercely, and were with difficulty separated, even at the command of the King ' [agreement reached before 30 June 1367; SP VI:345, cites Douglas Book, i.254[1] ]

served heir to his cousin Maria Douglas (deceased wife of Thomas Erskine), 30 June 1367

recognized by King Robert III of Scots as his kinsman, charter to Duncan, Earl of Lennox dated Dunfermline, 9 November 1392
[ witnessed by ' Archibaldo de Douglas domino Galwydie consanguineo
nostro dilecto, comitibus, Jacobo de Douglas domino de Dalkeith et Thoma
de Erskyne consanguineis nostris dilectis, militibus ', among others;
Lennox pp. 10-11[4]]

' Jac. de Douglas dom. de Dalketht [knight]', witness (together with
Robert, Earl of Fife and Mentieth, Archibald, earl of Douglas and
Galloway, and Sir Thomas Erskine) to charter of King Robert III to
'Ade de Mure de Rowalane militi, et Jonete de Danyelstoune sponse ejus'
of the lands of 'Polnekel, Grey, Drumbuy' & c. in the barony of
Cunyngham, co. Ayr. erected into the free barony of Polkellie
('Polnekel') following their resignation of same, at Dumbarton,
6 Dec 1393 (confirmed by King James II, 3 Dec 1440 - RMS p. 58,
no. 253[5])

' James of Douglas, lord ..of Dalkeith ', witness together with Robert
Erskine of charter of King Robert III to David Fleming of the lands of
Cavers, dated Erskyn, 10 Aug 1405 [Charter Chest/Wigtown, p.5,
no. 19[6] ]

he m. 1stly Agnes Dunbar[1],[3]
2ndly Egidia Stewart[1]

cf. SP VI:344-5, sub _Douglas, Earl of Morton_ [1]
Thompson and Hansen 12(1):88 #1042[7]
Genealogics I00006206[8]

bef 22 Nov 1372 Sir James married Agnes Dunbar.[3]


2 Sir John de Douglas.
died bef 25 Jan 1349/50, Forgywood (murdered).[1]

dispensation for his marriage to Agnes de Graham (her name has been
proven in the dispensation for her marriage):
" 1344.
4 Id. Oct. To the bishop of St. Andrews. Faculty to
Avignon. grant dispensation to John de Duglas, knight,
(f. 140d.) and Agnes de Grame to intermarry, they having
lived together and had offspring, notwithstanding
the assertion made that Agnes was aunt of a woman
with whom John had cohabited, Agnes being
ignorant of the said impediment. A penance is to
be enjoined on John, and two chaplaincies of 10
marks each are to be founded within two years.
Their past and future offspring is to be
declared legitimate.
[Cal. Pet. i.79; Theiner, 282.] " [Papal Letters III:165[2]]

murdered by Sir David Barclay in 'Forgywood' [Sir David Barclay later murdered in revenge, in Aberdeen, 25 Jan 1350] [SP I:223, cites Fordun[1]]

aft 12 Oct 1344 Sir John married Agnes de Graham[1],[2].[2]

cf. SP VI:342-3, sub _Douglas, Earl of Morton_ [1]
Ravilious, "SP Addition: Agnes Graham, wife of Sir John Douglas" [9]


3 Agnes de Graham.[1],[2]

her name has been proven in the dispensation for her marriage:
[Papal Letters III:165[2]]

identified only as ' Agnes, who has been identified as Agnes Munfode,
widow of John Munfode ' in Scots Peerage [SP VI:343[1]]; possibly she
was married prior to her marriage to Sir John de Douglas.

cf. SP VI:342-3, sub _Douglas, Earl of Morton_ [1]
Ravilious, "SP Addition: Agnes Graham, wife of Sir John Douglas" [9]


4 Sir James de Douglas.
died bef 20 Apr 1323.[1]

laird of Hermiston

had a grant of the lands of Kincavil and East Calder in co. Linlithgow,
at a rental of £12 5s. 10d., by charter from King Robert I, 2 April 1315
(additional rent of 10 merks per annum payable to Reginald Crauford, for
the service of an archer in the royal army) [SP VI:338, cites Reg. Honor.
de Morton, 12; ii, 11[1] ]

Sir James married Joan.


5 Joan.
died aft 1336.[1]


6 Sir John de Graham.
died on 25 Apr 1337, he was 58.[1],[10]
born bef 19 May 1278.[1]

laird of Dalkeith

b. before 19 May 1278 [an inquisition of 19 May 1306, concerning the
Muschamp inheritance, found that he was 28 years of age [SP VI:195[1],
cites Cal. Doc. Scot., iii. 392]

supporter of King John (Baliol), capitulated to King Edward I with John
Comyn at Strathord, 1303/04
joined with King Robert the Bruce

confirmed grants by the Avenel tenants of Eskdale to Melrose Abbey
(confirmed by King Robert I, 25 Dec 1316) [SP VI:196[1]]

' John de Graham ', a Surety of the Arbroath Declaration, 6 April 1320
(Barrow pp. 424-8)[11]

cf. SP VI:195-6[1]

Sir John married Isabella.


7 Isabella.

widow of Sir John Graham, 'who had a terce of his lands in crichton...
and a lease of the other two-thirds.' [SP VI:196[1]]


8 William de Douglas.

laird of Hermiston, Midlothian

had charter of confirmation for Hermiston from King Alexander III, 1277[1]

' William fiz Andrew de Douglas ', performed homage to King Edward I at
Berwick, 28 August 1296[1],[12]


12 Sir Nicholas de Graham.
died bef 14 Jun 1306.[1],[10]

laird of Dalkeith and Abercorn

of Wooler, Northumberland:
held by the service of 1 knight's fee, 1277;
owed the service of 1 knight's fee for a quarter of the Muschamp
barony of Wooler, 1282 (Sanders, p. 101)[10]

one of the auditors for the claim of Bruce at Berwick, 2 June
1292 [SP VI:195[1] ]

he d. before 14 June 1306, when his widow did homage to King Edward I
of England for her Northumberland lands [SP VI:195[1]]

cf. SP VI:195[1]
Genealogics I00139256[8]

bef 1269 Sir Nicholas married Mary of Strathearn.[1]


13 Mary of Strathearn.
died in 1322, she was 73.[1],[10]
Born bef 20 Mar 1248/9.[1]
Occupation: baroness of Muschamp.

younger daughter and coheir (eventual sole heir) of her mother[10]

' Nicholas de Grame and Maria his wife ' held a market in Wooler,
Northumberland in 1293, together with Walter de Huntercumb [her cousin and the other coheir],
'which they claimed from time out of mind ' (QW, p. 601).[13]

as widow of Nicholas Graham, held Wooler by the service of
2 knights' fees, 1311 (Sanders p. 101)[10]

Wooler passed on her death to the Huntercomb heir, her cousin[10] (her
husband Nicholas de Graham 'adhered to the Scots')

cf. Chart. Inchaffray, lxiv[14]
SP VI:195[1]
SP VIII:247[1]
Genealogics I00139257[8]


16 Sir Andrew de Douglas.
died ca 1277.[1]

laird of Hermiston, Midlothian
younger son

witness together with his brother William Douglas in a charter granted to
the monks of Dunfermline, 1248 [SP VI:338, cites Reg. de Dunfermelyn,
97[1] ]


24 Sir Henry de Graham.
died aft 5 Feb 1283.[1]

laird of Dalkeith

gave certain lands to his cousin David de Graham, confirmed by King
Alexander III, charter dated at St. Andrew, 27 Dec 1253:
' donacionem illam quam Henricus de Grahame fecit eidem Dauid de villa
de Cliftun cum pertinenciis suis...' [The Lennox II:13-15, No. 12[15]]

attended the parliament at Scone, 4 Feb 1283/4 which acknowledged Margaret
of Norway as heir to the Scots throne [SP VI:194[1]]

cf. SP VI:194-5[1]

Sir Henry married NN de Avenel.


25 NN de Avenel.

heiress of Abercorn and Eskdale

cf. SP VI:194[1]


26 Malise of Strathearn.
died bef 23 Nov 1271.[1]

Earl of Strathearn 1242-1270[1]

granted the advowson of Cortachy [co. Forfar, in the diocese of Brechin]
to Inchaffray priory, 12 Dec 1257 [Cowan pp. 69, charter on p. 71[16]]
attended Scots Parliaments in 1244 and 1245;
guarantor of the treaty with England, 1244[16]

' Malis comes Straern ', one of the Regents of Scotland and guardians of
Alexander III, appointed 20 September 1255[17]


he m. 1stly Marjory de Muschamp,
2ndly Matilda of Orkney,
3rdly Emma _______,
4th Mary mac Dougall[1]

cf. Chart. Inchaffray, lxiii-lxiv[14]
SP VIII:245-7[1]

bef 20 Mar 1244 Malise married Marjorie de Muschamp.[1]


27 Marjorie de Muschamp.
died bef 20 Mar 1254.[10],[1]

2nd daughter and coheiress of her father (Sanders p. 100)[10]

1st wife of Malise, Earl of Strathearn[1]

cf. SP VIII:247[1]


32 Archibald de Douglas.
died aft 1238.[1]

laird of Douglas

' received, some time before 1226, the lands of Hermiston in Midlothian
and Livingston in West Lothian from Malcolm, Earl of Fife '
[ SP VI:337, sub Douglas, Earl of Morton, cites Reg. Honoris de Morton,
i. pp. xxxiii, xxxiv[1] ]

' Archibaldo de Dufglas', witness (together with Walter fitz Alan the
Steward) to charter of Aulay, brother of Maldouen, earl of Lennox
['Amelec frater Maldoveni comitis de Levenax'] to Paisley Abbey, ca.
March 1238 [Lennox, pp.13-14[4]]

Archibald married Margaret de Crawford.


33 Margaret de Crawford.


48 Sir Henry de Graham.
died aft 1233.

of Dalkeith and Simundburn in Tynedale, Northumberland

cf. SP VI:194[1]

Sir Henry married NN.


49 NN.


50 Roger de Avenel.
died in 1243.[1],[18]

of Abercorn, co. Linlithgow and Eskdale, co. Dumfries

cf. SP VI:194[1]


52 Robert of Strathearn.
died bef 1244.[1]

Earl of Strathearn 1223-1242

witness to charters of father Earl Gilbert, 1199 until succession ca. 1223

witness to treaty of York between Alexander II and Henry III of England,
25 Sept 1237 [SP VIII:244, cites Foedera, Rec.ed., i, 233[1]]

cf. Chart. Inchaffray, lx-lxii[14]
SP VIII:243-244[1]

Robert married NN de Moravia.


53 NN de Moravia. NN died aft 1246.[1]

her identification as a daughter of Hugh de Moravia (or Sir Hugh Freskin)
by a dau. of Duncan, Earl of Fife by Andrew B. W. MacEwen[19]. Evidently,
her maritagium included lands in Durie, co. Fife later granted by Reynold
le Cheyne to her son Gilbert [cf. SP VIII:245[1]]

' His wife's name has not been ascertained, but she survived him, and was
alive in 1247, perhaps later. ' [SP VIII:244, cites Charters of Inchaffray,
No. 76[1]]


54 Sir Robert de Muschamp.[1] Sir Robert died in 1250.[10]

of Wooler, Northumberland

' Robert de Muschans ', had charter for a market at Wooler, granted 21
Aug 1199, by King John, ' To be held in Wllov’a ' (RCh, p. 11)[13]

' Robertus de Multo Campo et J., uxor ejus, ij.', held lands in Yorkshire
of the Archbishop of York by the service of 2 knights' fees, 1210-1212
[Red Book of the Exchequer, II:495[20]]

cf. Sanders, p. 100[10]
EYC II:127-8[21]
SP VIII:246[1]

Sir Robert married Isabel.


55 Isabel.

' J., uxor ejus, ij.', held lands in Yorkshire (together with her husband)
of the Archbishop of York by the service of 2 knights' fees, 1210-1212
[Red Book of the Exchequer, II:495[20]]

'J.' was evidently Isabella:
' In the following year he [Earl Malise of Strathearn, in 1251] was
impleaded to warrant lands claimed by Isabella, widow of Robert, in
dower, including the manor of Harndon, in Northamptonshire. ' [Chart.
Inchaffray lxiii, cites Bain, i. 1801[14]]



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* John P. Ravilious.9


Sir James 'the Elder' Douglas of Dalkeith and Euphemia Ross Countess of Moray and of Strathearn were mentioned in a land transaction between 28 February 1369 and 1370 at Keillour, Methven Parish, Perthshire, Scotland,
Memo:
Per Ravilious [2017:49]: "As Countess of Strathearn, Euphemia confirmed her husband Robert's grant of Keillour to James Douglas of Dalkeith at Perth on 28 February 1369/70. Significantly, in the charter Countess Euphemia describes James Douglas as "our dear cousin lord James de Douglas, knight, lord of Dalkeith' .4 This description of James Douglas as "cousin" [consanguineus in the original Latin text] indicates
a blood relationship between James and Euphemia, not one resulting from .her marriage to Robert Stewart. This is all the more interesting, given that Euphemia's mother was known to have been Margaret Graham as noted above."4

Family 1

Child

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page - see MORTON, E. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Morton Family Page.
  3. [S2000] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 9 Nov 2005: "SP Addition: Agnes Graham, wife of Sir John Douglas (d. ca. 1350)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 9 Nov 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 9 Nov 2005."
  4. [S4719] John P. Ravilious, "The Earls of Menteith", The Scottish Genealogist LXIV:49-52 (June 2017): p. 49. Hereinafter cited as "The Earls of Menteith."
  5. [S4719] John P. Ravilious, "The Earls of Menteith", p. 51.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Graham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I0021533&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  7. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Egidia (Gille) Stewart: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006207&tree=LEO
  9. [S2001] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 16 Nov 2005: "Re: SP Addition: Agnes Graham, wife of Sir John Douglas (d. ca. 1350)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 16 Nov 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 16 Nov 2005."
  10. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Abercorn Family Page.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes Douglas: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00322704&tree=LEO
  12. [S2066] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 5 May 2006: "SP Addition: ancestry of Elizabeth de Caldcotis (and Livingston of Kilsyth)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 5 May 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 5 May 2006."

Beatrice (?)1

F, #51116, d. before 1421
Last Edited22 Apr 2006

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1874] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 19 March 2006: "' Dame Crystyane of Douglas' : a Dunbar descent ?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 March 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 19 March 2006."

Thomas de Dunbar 2nd Earl of Moray1,2

M, #51117, d. circa 1415
FatherJohn de Dunbar 1st Earl of Moray1,3,2 b. c 1340, d. b 15 Feb 1392
MotherLady Marjorie Stewart1,2,4 d. a 6 May 1417
Last Edited16 Aug 2019
     Thomas de Dunbar 2nd Earl of Moray married Margaret (?) before February 1392.1,2
Thomas de Dunbar 2nd Earl of Moray died circa 1415.1,2
     ; THOMAS de DUNBAR, 2nd EARL OF MORAY; Sheriff Inverness vp; captured by English Battle of Homildon Hill 1402, set free 1405, Sheriff Banff by late 1405; m by Feb 1391/2 Margaret - and d in or after spring 1415, leaving, with a dau (Janet, m Hugh Fraser, 8th of Lovat; see LOVAT, L):
1e THOMAS DUNBAR, 3rd EARL OF MORAY; allegedly m Margaret, dau of Sir William Seton of Seton or 1st Lord Seton (see EGLINTON and WINTON, E), and dspl presumably autumn 1427 or later
2e JAMES DUNBAR, 4th EARL OF MORAY; allegedly m Janet/Katherine, dau of Sir Alexander Seton of Gordon, and dspml or was k c 10 Aug 1429, having by her had issue (in addition, by a woman alleged to have been Isobel of Innes, an illegitimate s ALEXANDER, for whom see further below).1

; Leo van de Pas cites: Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, Reference: 1999 895.2 He was 2nd Earl of Moray.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas de Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00389568&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, John Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00311042&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lady Marjorie Stewart: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006075&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas de Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00389574&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, James Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00370670&tree=LEO

Margaret (?)1

F, #51118
Last Edited31 Oct 2020
     Margaret (?) married Thomas de Dunbar 2nd Earl of Moray, son of John de Dunbar 1st Earl of Moray and Lady Marjorie Stewart, before February 1392.1,2

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas de Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00389568&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas de Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00389574&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, James Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00370670&tree=LEO

Hugh de Port feudal lord of Semer, near Scarborough1

M, #51119
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited14 Feb 2003
     GAV-27 EDV-27.

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Northumberland Family Page: "...sometimes called dau and heiress, but certainly a close relative, of Hugh de Port".. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

William de Percy1

M, #51120
FatherRichard de Percy of Dunsley1
MotherAlice (?)1
Last Edited3 Oct 2002
     ; founded Handale Priory and a hermitage at Mulgrave, N Yorks.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Northumberland Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.