Hugues II de Mont-Saint-Jean seigneur de Pouillenay, de Mont-Saint-Jean, Othoisey, Chatel-Censoir, puis de Charny1,2

M, #20641, d. after 1180
FatherGui I de Mont-Saint-Jean Sire de Mont-Saint-Jean1,2 d. c 1152
Mother(?) de Saulx1,2
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited14 Aug 2019
     Hugues II de Mont-Saint-Jean seigneur de Pouillenay, de Mont-Saint-Jean, Othoisey, Chatel-Censoir, puis de Charny married Elizabeth de Vergy, daughter of Hervé de Vergy, before 1152.1,2
Hugues II de Mont-Saint-Jean seigneur de Pouillenay, de Mont-Saint-Jean, Othoisey, Chatel-Censoir, puis de Charny died after 1180.1
     ; per Racines et Histoire: "sans alliance ni postérité.3" EDV-26 GKJ-26. He was living in 1180.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Msjean page (Family de Mont-Saint-Jean): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/msjean.html
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 6. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf, p. 3.

Gui I de Mont-Saint-Jean Sire de Mont-Saint-Jean1,2

M, #20642, d. circa 1152
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited14 Aug 2019
     Gui I de Mont-Saint-Jean Sire de Mont-Saint-Jean married (?) de Saulx, daughter of Gui de Saulx.1
Gui I de Mont-Saint-Jean Sire de Mont-Saint-Jean died circa 1152.1
     EDV-27 GKJ-27.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Msjean page (Family de Mont-Saint-Jean): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/msjean.html
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 6. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Richilde de Clermont1

F, #20643
FatherHugues II de Creil dit «de Mouchy» (?) Seigneur de Mouchy, Comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis1,2,3 b. c 1030, d. a Nov 1099
MotherMarguerite de Montdidier of Roucy1,2 b. c 1045, d. c 1110
Last Edited27 Nov 2020
     Richilde de Clermont married Dreux III de Mello.

Family

Dreux III de Mello d. 1153
Child

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32827
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parclerdam.htm#HuguesClermontMMargueriteMontdidier. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Clermonten-Beauvaisis & de Clermont-Nesle, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Clermont-Beauvaisis-Nesle.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32825

Dreux III de Mello1

M, #20644, d. 1153
Last Edited7 Apr 2004

Robert IV de Nevers seigneur de Sablé, seigneur de La Suze1,2

M, #20645, b. circa 1150, d. 13 January 1196
FatherRobert III de Sablé seigneur de Sablé1,3,2 b. c 1122, d. b 1152
MotherHersende d'Anthenaise1,3,2 d. c 1151
ReferenceEDV25 GKJ25
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Robert IV de Nevers seigneur de Sablé, seigneur de La Suze married Clemence de Mayenne Dame d'Angon, daughter of Geoffroy II/III de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne and Isabelle (?) de Meulan, dame de Beaumont-Le-Roger.1,4,3,2 Robert IV de Nevers seigneur de Sablé, seigneur de La Suze was born circa 1150.2
Robert IV de Nevers seigneur de Sablé, seigneur de La Suze died on 13 January 1196 at Palestine; Leo van de Pas says d. ca 1195.1,3,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 718a.1

; Robert de Sable
----------------------------------------
Death: 13 Jan 1196, Palestine (on crusade)[1]
Father: Robert de Sable (-1151)
Mother: Hersinde

seigneur de Sable, de la Suze et de Briollay
founder of the abbey of le Peray-aux-Nonnains, and Bois-Renou, 1189[2]

companion of Richard Coeur-de-Lion on the 3rd Crusade;
commander of the English flotilla together with Richard de Camville
[in port at Lisbon, July 1190]

member of the 'financial and disciplinary committee' established at
Messina, Sicily in October 1190 to enforce ban against gambling and
'to control the army's common chest, the fund which took over and
administered half the possessions of those who died while on crusade.
Among its members were the masters of the Temple and the Hospital,
Duke Hugh of Burgundy, Robert de Sable and Andrew de Chauvigny.'[3]

cf. ES I, Band III, Tafel 718 A[2]

Spouse: Clemence de Mayenne
Death: ca 1190[2]
Father: Juhel of Mayenne (-1161)
Mother: Clemence d'Alencon

Children: Geoffrey (->1200)
Philippe
Marguerite (->1238)
Sources:
1. Mike Talbot, "Lusignan and Fougeres," Feb 10, 1999, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, additional information and correction from Olivier Cocheril.
2. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge," [ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1978-1995 [3rd series], First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.
3. John Gillingham, "Richard I," New Haven: Yale University Press, 1999, 129.3 EDV-25 GKJ-25.

Family

Clemence de Mayenne Dame d'Angon d. c 1190
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Nevers: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122084&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 10. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1557] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 21 Jan 2004: "Companions of the Third Crusade (was Re: Crusader ancestors (long)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 21 Jan 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 21 Jan 2004."
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clémence de Mayenne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122085&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Nevers: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122083&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/anjounob.htm#MargueriteSableMGuillaumeRoches. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Clemence de Mayenne Dame d'Angon1,2

F, #20646, d. circa 1190
FatherGeoffroy II/III de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne4,1,5,6 d. bt 18 Feb 1169 - 25 Jul 1169
MotherIsabelle (?) de Meulan, dame de Beaumont-Le-Roger1,3 b. c 1147, d. 10 May 1220
ReferenceEDV25 GKJ25
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Clemence de Mayenne Dame d'Angon married Robert IV de Nevers seigneur de Sablé, seigneur de La Suze, son of Robert III de Sablé seigneur de Sablé and Hersende d'Anthenaise.7,1,8,2
Clemence de Mayenne Dame d'Angon died circa 1190; Ravilious cites: Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge," [ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1978-1995 [3rd series], First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.8,2

     EDV-25 GKJ-25.

Family

Robert IV de Nevers seigneur de Sablé, seigneur de La Suze b. c 1150, d. 13 Jan 1196
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clémence de Mayenne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122085&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 10. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabelle de Meulan: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124710&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00175550&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00175550&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GeoffroyMayennedied1169. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Nevers: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122084&tree=LEO
  8. [S1557] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 21 Jan 2004: "Companions of the Third Crusade (was Re: Crusader ancestors (long)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 21 Jan 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 21 Jan 2004."
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Nevers: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122083&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/anjounob.htm#MargueriteSableMGuillaumeRoches

Juhael I de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne1,2

M, #20647, d. 23 December 1161
FatherGautier de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne4,5,1,2 b. 1060, d. a 18 Dec 1116
MotherAdeline/Alix de Presles3,1,2
ReferenceEDV27 GKJ27
Last Edited12 Dec 2020
     Juhael I de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne married Clémence de Ponthieu, daughter of Guillaume I 'Talvas' (?) Comte de Alençon. Duc de Alençon, Comte de Ponthieu & Montreuil. and Hélie/Alice/Ela (?) de Bourgogne, before 1120.1,2,6,7
Juhael I de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne died on 23 December 1161.8,1,2
     EDV-27 GKJ-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 133.1

; This is the same person as ”Juhel II de Mayenne” at Wikipédia (FR).9

; Per Med Lands:
     "JUHEL [I] de Mayenne, son of GAUTHIER Seigneur de Mayenne & his wife Aline --- (-23 Dec 1161, bur Evroux). "Walterii de Meduana…[et] uxor eius Adelina et filius eorum Hamelinus…alter filius Juhellus" consented to a donation by "Ruellonius de Gorron, filius Gaufredi" of the church of Brecé to Marmoutier, by charter dated to [1099/1124][381]. "Radulfus Filgeriensis" with "his wife Avitia" donated property to the abbey of Holy Trinity, Savigny by charter dated 7 Mar 1113, subscribed by "…Hamelinus Meduanensis, Johellus frater eius"[382]. "Rotbertus miles de Sancto Dionisio" confirmed the donation of property to Mont-Saint-Michel by "pater meus Rotbertus Sancti Dionisii", agreeing to obtain the consent of "Hamelino de Meduana domino meo" by charter dated 1116, signed by "Juhellis fratris Hamelini Meduani"[383]. He succeeded his brother in [1119] as Seigneur de Mayenne. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Joheli de Meduana" in Middlesex[384]. Seigneur de Gorron d'Ambrières et de Châteauneuf 1135[385]. "Juhellus Goualterii filius, dominus castelli Meduanæ…matre mea Adelina et sorore Felicia" organised the transfer of the monks of Saint-Martin to Mayenne castle, for the souls of "Gaufredi…avi mei et Gualterii patris mei…Hamelini fratris mei", by charter dated 1144, witnessed by "…Hugo de Lavalle…"[386]. The 1157 Pipe Roll records "Joheli de Maiena" in Somerset, and "Joheli de Maiena" (twice) under "Nova Placita & Nove Conventiones" in Devonshire[387].
     "m (before [1126]) CLEMENCE de Ponthieu, daughter of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte de Ponthieu et d'Alençon, Seigneur de Montgommery et de Bellême & his [first wife ---] (-30 Nov before 1189). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Willelmum Talavatium” married “Ala...quæ fuerat antea uxor ducis Burgundiæ” [incorrect], and had “duos filios et totidem filias” of whom “una” married “Iuhello filio Walterii de Meduana”[388]. The chronology suggests that Clémence was born from an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage of her father. "Juhello principe Meduane et uxore eius Clementia et filio eorum Gaufrido primogenito" subscribed a charter dated 12 and 26 Jul 1128, under which property was restored to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[389]."
Med Lands cites:
[381] Guyard de la Fosse (1850), Preuves, III.
[382] Round (1899) 792, p. 287.
[383] Abbayette saint-Michel 9, p. 20.
[384] Pipe Roll 31 Hen I (1129/30), Middlesex, p. 152.
[385] ES XIII 133.
[386] Guyard de la Fosse (1850), Preuves, IV.
[387] Pipe Roll 4 Hen II (1157), Somerset, p. 122, and Devonshire, p. 159.
[388] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXV, p. 311.
[389] Abbayette saint-Michel 10, p. 21.2


; Per Med Lands:
     "CLEMENCE de Ponthieu (-30 Nov before 1189). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Willelmum Talavatium” married “Ala...quæ fuerat antea uxor ducis Burgundiæ” [incorrect], and had “duos filios et totidem filias” of whom “una” married “Iuhello filio Walterii de Meduana”[636]. As noted above, the chronology suggests that Clémence was born from an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage of her father. "Juhello principe Meduane et uxore eius Clementia et filio eorum Gaufrido primogenito" subscribed a charter dated 12 and 26 Jul 1128, under which property was restored to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[637].
     "m (before [1126]) JUHEL Seigneur de Mayenne, son of GAUTHIER Seigneur de Mayenne & his wife Aline --- (-23 Dec 1161, bur Evroux)."
Med Lands cites:
[636] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXV, p. 311.
[637] Abbayette Saint-Michel 10, p. 21.7


; Per Racines et Histoire (Ponthieu): “Clémence de Ponthieu (alias de Bellême) ° 1115 + un 30/11 avant 1189
     ép. avant 1120 (ou 1145 ?) Juhel (Joël) 1er de Mayenne + 23/12/1161 (fils de Gauthier IV de Mayenne et d’Alix (Aline) de Beaugency)”.10

Family

Clémence de Ponthieu d. b 30 Nov 1189
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Juhael I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00175552&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#JuhelMayennedied1161B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adeline (Alix) (de Presles): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106753&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gautier: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106752&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GeoffroyMayennedied1098
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clémence de Ponthieu: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00175553&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#ClemencePonthieuMJuhaelMayenne
  8. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32042
  9. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Juhel II de Mayenne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juhel_II_de_Mayenne. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Ponthieu, & Montreuil, Saint-Pol, p. 7: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Ponthieu.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00175550&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GeoffroyMayennedied1169

Clémence de Ponthieu1,2,3

F, #20648, d. before 30 November 1189
FatherGuillaume I 'Talvas' (?) Comte de Alençon. Duc de Alençon, Comte de Ponthieu & Montreuil.4,5,1,2,6,3 b. c 1095, d. 30 Jun 1171
MotherHélie/Alice/Ela (?) de Bourgogne7,8,5,2 b. 1080, d. 28 Feb 1142
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited12 Dec 2020
     Clémence de Ponthieu married Juhael I de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne, son of Gautier de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne and Adeline/Alix de Presles, before 1120.9,10,1,3
Clémence de Ponthieu died before 30 November 1189.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "JUHEL [I] de Mayenne, son of GAUTHIER Seigneur de Mayenne & his wife Aline --- (-23 Dec 1161, bur Evroux). "Walterii de Meduana…[et] uxor eius Adelina et filius eorum Hamelinus…alter filius Juhellus" consented to a donation by "Ruellonius de Gorron, filius Gaufredi" of the church of Brecé to Marmoutier, by charter dated to [1099/1124][381]. "Radulfus Filgeriensis" with "his wife Avitia" donated property to the abbey of Holy Trinity, Savigny by charter dated 7 Mar 1113, subscribed by "…Hamelinus Meduanensis, Johellus frater eius"[382]. "Rotbertus miles de Sancto Dionisio" confirmed the donation of property to Mont-Saint-Michel by "pater meus Rotbertus Sancti Dionisii", agreeing to obtain the consent of "Hamelino de Meduana domino meo" by charter dated 1116, signed by "Juhellis fratris Hamelini Meduani"[383]. He succeeded his brother in [1119] as Seigneur de Mayenne. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Joheli de Meduana" in Middlesex[384]. Seigneur de Gorron d'Ambrières et de Châteauneuf 1135[385]. "Juhellus Goualterii filius, dominus castelli Meduanæ…matre mea Adelina et sorore Felicia" organised the transfer of the monks of Saint-Martin to Mayenne castle, for the souls of "Gaufredi…avi mei et Gualterii patris mei…Hamelini fratris mei", by charter dated 1144, witnessed by "…Hugo de Lavalle…"[386]. The 1157 Pipe Roll records "Joheli de Maiena" in Somerset, and "Joheli de Maiena" (twice) under "Nova Placita & Nove Conventiones" in Devonshire[387].
     "m (before [1126]) CLEMENCE de Ponthieu, daughter of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte de Ponthieu et d'Alençon, Seigneur de Montgommery et de Bellême & his [first wife ---] (-30 Nov before 1189). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Willelmum Talavatium” married “Ala...quæ fuerat antea uxor ducis Burgundiæ” [incorrect], and had “duos filios et totidem filias” of whom “una” married “Iuhello filio Walterii de Meduana”[388]. The chronology suggests that Clémence was born from an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage of her father. "Juhello principe Meduane et uxore eius Clementia et filio eorum Gaufrido primogenito" subscribed a charter dated 12 and 26 Jul 1128, under which property was restored to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[389]."
Med Lands cites:
[381] Guyard de la Fosse (1850), Preuves, III.
[382] Round (1899) 792, p. 287.
[383] Abbayette saint-Michel 9, p. 20.
[384] Pipe Roll 31 Hen I (1129/30), Middlesex, p. 152.
[385] ES XIII 133.
[386] Guyard de la Fosse (1850), Preuves, IV.
[387] Pipe Roll 4 Hen II (1157), Somerset, p. 122, and Devonshire, p. 159.
[388] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXV, p. 311.
[389] Abbayette saint-Michel 10, p. 21.10


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 13:133.1

; NB: Genealogics says that Clemence's mother was Helie de Bourgogne, but Med Lands says she was an un-named first wife of Clemence's father. Racines et Histoire mentions a possible 1st wife as "Mathilde ?," but doesn't assign children to the wives.
     Med Lands states: "This first marriage is strongly suggested by the marriage date of Guillaume’s daughter Clémence. She is named in Jul 1128 with her son "Gaufrido primogenito" (see below). The addition of the word "primogenito" suggests that there was at least one other younger child at that date. This would place her marriage in late 1125 at the very latest. It is extremely unlikely, therefore, that she could have born from Guillaume’s marriage to Hélie de Bourgogne, the death of whose first husband is recorded in late Apr 1112. The other indication is the unlikelihood that Hélie de Bourgogne could have had eleven children by her second husband, considering her own estimated birth date.]“.5,1 EDV-25.

; Per Med Lands:
     "CLEMENCE de Ponthieu (-30 Nov before 1189). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Willelmum Talavatium” married “Ala...quæ fuerat antea uxor ducis Burgundiæ” [incorrect], and had “duos filios et totidem filias” of whom “una” married “Iuhello filio Walterii de Meduana”[636]. As noted above, the chronology suggests that Clémence was born from an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage of her father. "Juhello principe Meduane et uxore eius Clementia et filio eorum Gaufrido primogenito" subscribed a charter dated 12 and 26 Jul 1128, under which property was restored to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[637].
     "m (before [1126]) JUHEL Seigneur de Mayenne, son of GAUTHIER Seigneur de Mayenne & his wife Aline --- (-23 Dec 1161, bur Evroux)."
Med Lands cites:
[636] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXV, p. 311.
[637] Abbayette Saint-Michel 10, p. 21.3


; Per Racines et Histoire (Ponthieu): “Clémence de Ponthieu (alias de Bellême) ° 1115 + un 30/11 avant 1189
     ép. avant 1120 (ou 1145 ?) Juhel (Joël) 1er de Mayenne + 23/12/1161 (fils de Gauthier IV de Mayenne et d’Alix (Aline) de Beaugency)”.2

Family

Juhael I de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne d. 23 Dec 1161
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clémence de Ponthieu: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00175553&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Ponthieu, & Montreuil, Saint-Pol, p. 7: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Ponthieu.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#ClemencePonthieuMJuhaelMayenne. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume I Talvas: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140289&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#GuillaumeIPonthieudied1171B
  6. [S4743] Geneagraphie - Families all over the world (Website), online <http://geneagraphie.com/>, Comte Guillaume Talvas de Ponthieu: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I14686&tree=1. Hereinafter cited as Geneagraphie.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clémence de Ponthieu: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00175553&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hélie de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140290&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Juhael I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00175552&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#JuhelMayennedied1161B
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00175550&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GeoffroyMayennedied1169

Thomas Stewart 2nd Lord Innermeath

M, #20649, d. 9 September 1513
FatherWalter Stewart 1st Lord Innermeath (Invermay) d. b 1489
MotherMargaret Lindsay
Last Edited1 Oct 2006
     Thomas Stewart 2nd Lord Innermeath married Janet Keith, daughter of Sir William Keith 1st Earl Marischal and Mary Hamilton, in 1481.1
Thomas Stewart 2nd Lord Innermeath died on 9 September 1513 at Battle of Flodden Field, Northumberland, England.2
     ; Thomas, 2nd Ld Innermeath, who was k at the battle of Flodden, 9 Sept 1513. He m 1481, Janet, widow of the Master of Rothes, and dau of William, 1st Earl Marischal of Scotland (see KINTORE, E), and left with other issue, Richard, 3rd Ld Innermeath.3

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1969] James Dow Allen, "Allen email 1 Oct 2005: "Diana's ancestors fallen at Flodden Field"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 1 Oct 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Allen email 1 Oct 2005."
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page (see LINDSAY, E).

Alan Stewart1

M, #20650, d. circa 1463
FatherRobert Stewart 1st Lord Lorn and Innermeath1 d. b 1449
MotherJoan/Margaret Stewart1
Last Edited29 Dec 2002
     Alan Stewart died circa 1463; dsp, died in prison.1,2

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stewart of Appin Family Page.

Archibald Stewart1

M, #20651, b. before 1452, d. after 1452
FatherSir John Stewart Lord of Innermeath and Lorn, 1st of Grandtully1,2 d. 26 Apr 1421
MotherIsobel/Isabella de Ergadia1,3 d. 21 Dec 1439
Last Edited19 Aug 2019
     Archibald Stewart was born before 1452.4
Archibald Stewart died after 1452.4
     ; Archibald, named in the entail of Lorn, 1452.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Stewart, Lord of Lorne and Innermeath, 1st of Grandtully: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046285&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel de Ergadia (MacDougall): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046286&tree=LEO
  4. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stewart of Appin Family Page.

Robert III de Sablé seigneur de Sablé1

M, #20652, b. circa 1122, d. before 1152
FatherLisiard de Sablé seigneur de Sablé1 d. b 1145
MotherTephanie de Briole1
ReferenceEDV26 GKJ26
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Robert III de Sablé seigneur de Sablé was born circa 1122.1 He married Hersende d'Anthenaise, daughter of Savaric d'Anthenaise, circa 1148.1
Robert III de Sablé seigneur de Sablé died before 1152.1
     EDV-26 GKJ-26.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 10. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Nevers: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122084&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1557] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 21 Jan 2004: "Companions of the Third Crusade (was Re: Crusader ancestors (long)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 21 Jan 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 21 Jan 2004."

Hersende d'Anthenaise

F, #20653, d. circa 1151
FatherSavaric d'Anthenaise
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited4 Nov 2020
     Hersende d'Anthenaise married Robert III de Sablé seigneur de Sablé, son of Lisiard de Sablé seigneur de Sablé and Tephanie de Briole, circa 1148.1
Hersende d'Anthenaise died circa 1151.
     EDV-26 GKJ-26.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 10. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Nevers: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122084&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1557] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 21 Jan 2004: "Companions of the Third Crusade (was Re: Crusader ancestors (long)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 21 Jan 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 21 Jan 2004."

Savaric d'Anthenaise

M, #20654
FatherHamelin (?) Sire d'Anthenaise b. 1040, d. 1106
MotherDometi (?)
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited4 Nov 2020
     Savaric d'Anthenaise married an unknown person.
     EDV-27 GKJ-27.

Family

Child

Hamelin (?) Sire d'Anthenaise

M, #20655, b. 1040, d. 1106
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited29 Oct 2020
     Hamelin (?) Sire d'Anthenaise married Dometi (?) Hamelin (?) Sire d'Anthenaise was born in 1040.
Hamelin (?) Sire d'Anthenaise died in 1106.
     EDV-27 GKJ-28.

Dometi (?)

F, #20656
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited27 Oct 2020
     Dometi (?) married Hamelin (?) Sire d'Anthenaise.
     EDV-27 GKJ-28.

Lisiard de Sablé seigneur de Sablé1

M, #20657, d. before 1145
FatherRobert II (?) Vicomte de Sable b. c 1063, d. 1110
MotherHersende de La Suze
ReferenceEDV27 gkj27
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Lisiard de Sablé seigneur de Sablé married Tephanie de Briole, daughter of Geoffroy de Briole and Garnoise di Jarze', before 1120.1
Lisiard de Sablé seigneur de Sablé died before 1145.1
     EDV-27 GKJ-27.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 10. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Tephanie de Briole

F, #20658
FatherGeoffroy de Briole d. c 1103
MotherGarnoise di Jarze'
ReferenceEDV27 GKJ27
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Tephanie de Briole married Lisiard de Sablé seigneur de Sablé, son of Robert II (?) Vicomte de Sable and Hersende de La Suze, before 1120.1
     EDV-27 GKJ-27. Tephanie de Briole was also known as Tiphaine de Briollay.1

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 10. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Geoffroy de Briole

M, #20659, d. circa 1103
ReferenceEDV28 GKJ28
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Geoffroy de Briole married Garnoise di Jarze'.
Geoffroy de Briole died circa 1103.
     EDV-28 GKJ-28.

Garnoise di Jarze'

F, #20660
ReferenceEDV28 GKJ28
Last Edited9 Nov 2020
     Garnoise di Jarze' married Geoffroy de Briole.
     EDV-28 GKJ-28.

Family

Geoffroy de Briole d. c 1103
Child

Robert II (?) Vicomte de Sable1,2

M, #20661, b. circa 1063, d. 1110
FatherRobert "the Burgundian" (?) de Nevers, Vicomte de Sable, seigneur de Craon1,2 b. c 1035, d. a 1098
MotherHawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé3,1,2 b. c 1035, d. b 1067
Last Edited1 Nov 2020
     Robert II (?) Vicomte de Sable married Hersende de La Suze. Robert II (?) Vicomte de Sable was born circa 1063.2
Robert II (?) Vicomte de Sable died in 1110.1,2

Citations

  1. [S1936] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 25 Aug 2005: "Robert II of France to Maud de Bernake (was CP Addition:..)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 25 Aug 2005."
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32080

Hersende de La Suze1

F, #20662
ReferenceEDV28 FKJ28
Last Edited8 Nov 2020

Family

Robert II (?) Vicomte de Sable b. c 1063, d. 1110
Child

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Hawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé1

F, #20663, b. circa 1035, d. before 1067
FatherGeoffroy le Vieun (?) Vicomte de Sable1
MotherAdelaise (?)
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited22 Oct 2020
     Hawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé married Robert "the Burgundian" (?) de Nevers, Vicomte de Sable, seigneur de Craon, son of Renaud I (?) Count of Nevers & Auxerre and Advisa (?) de France, Comtesse d'Auxerre; Ravilious cites: Peter Stewart, "Adèle, dau. of Robert II," 25 June 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites no. 92, diploma of Robert's son King Henry I, in _Diplomata belgica ante annum millesimum centesimum scripta_, edited by Maurits Gysseling & Anton Koch, 2 vols, Bouwstoffen en Studiën voor de Geschiedenis en de Lexicografie van het Nederlands 1.1,2 Hawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé was born circa 1035.2
Hawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé died before 1067.2
     EDV-27 GKJ-28. Hawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé was also known as Blanche (?) dame de Sablé.3

Citations

  1. [S1936] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 25 Aug 2005: "Robert II of France to Maud de Bernake (was CP Addition:..)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 25 Aug 2005."
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 2.
  4. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32080

Hughes I 'Le Barbue' (?) de Montfort, seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Barneville et du Rosel1,2

M, #20664, b. circa 1000, d. between 1039 and 1040
FatherTurstain/Toussaint de Bertrand (?) seigneur de Bastembourg, Monfort-sur-Risle et Bricquebec2,3,4,5 b. c 927
MotherAub(e)rée (?)2
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited10 Mar 2020
     Hughes I 'Le Barbue' (?) de Montfort, seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Barneville et du Rosel was born circa 1000 at Normandy, France.
Hughes I 'Le Barbue' (?) de Montfort, seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Barneville et du Rosel died between 1039 and 1040; killed in battle. Racines et Histoire says "en fcombattant Vauquelin de Ferrières."2,3,5
     GAV-28 EDV-28.

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [I] "cum barba" de Montfort-sur-Risle (-killed in battle [1035/45]). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Turstinus...de Bastenburc” had “duos filios Willelmum Bertrannum et Hugonem cum barba de Monteforti”[1285]. "…Hugo vicecomes filius Turstingi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1030] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy confirmed rights of Mont Saint-Michel[1286]. Seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Hugo de Monteforti filius Tustini” and “Walchelino de Ferrariis” [a later passage names him “Henricus de Ferrariis”] fought and killed each other, dated to the early part of the reign of Guillaume II Duke of Normandy from the context of the passage[1287].
     "m ---. The name of Hugues's wife is not known.
     "Hugues [I] & his wife had [four] children."
Med Lands cites:
[1285] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XXXVIII, p. 289.
[1286] Lambert ‘Les anciens vicomtes de Bayeux’, p. 252.
[1287] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, II, XXXVIII, pp. 268 and 289.3


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/4:498.5 Hughes I 'Le Barbue' (?) de Montfort, seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Barneville et du Rosel was also known as Hugh I de Montfort Count of Montfort-sur-Risle. Hughes I 'Le Barbue' (?) de Montfort, seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Barneville et du Rosel was also known as Hugh de Montfort.1 Hughes I 'Le Barbue' (?) de Montfort, seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Barneville et du Rosel was also known as Hugh Barbatus.1

Citations

  1. [S1217] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:1590432, Sue Cary (unknown location), downloaded updated 25 Aug 2001.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#_Toc492794611. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thurstan de Bastembourg ou de Montfort: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00485330&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues I 'cum barba' de Montfort-sur-Risle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00485328&tree=LEO
  6. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I47486
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf, p. 3.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00485324&tree=LEO

Jean/Janet Forbes1,2

F, #20665
FatherJohn Forbes 6th Lord Forbes1,2
MotherElizabeth Barlow/Berlay2 d. 1518
Last Edited23 Dec 2002
     Jean/Janet Forbes married John Stewart 3rd Earl of Atholl, son of John Stewart 2nd Earl of Atholl and Janet Campbell, before 1542; her 1st husband.1 Jean/Janet Forbes married Alexander Hay of Delgaty; her 2nd husband.1 Jean/Janet Forbes married William Leslie of Balquhain; her 3rd husband.1
     ; 5b Janet; m 1st 3rd Earl of Atholl of the 1457 cr (see MORAY, E); m 2nd Alexander Hay of Delgaty; m 3rd William Leslie of Balquhain (see LESLIE, Bt.)2

Family 1

John Stewart 3rd Earl of Atholl b. 6 Oct 1507, d. 1542

Family 2

Alexander Hay of Delgaty

Family 3

William Leslie of Balquhain

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Forbes Family Page.

Beatrix (?) de Saint-Valéry1,2

F, #20666, d. before 13 February 1144
FatherRenaud I de St. Valéry Seigneur de Saint-Valéry2,3 b. c 1120, d. 1166
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited30 Apr 2020
     Beatrix (?) de Saint-Valéry married Guermond II de Picquigny chevalier, seigneur de Picquigny, vidame d'Amiens, son of Arnoul de Picquigny chevalier, seigneur de Picquigny, vidame d'Amiens.1,4
Beatrix (?) de Saint-Valéry was buried before 13 February 1144 at Abbaye de Saint-Jean.5


Beatrix (?) de Saint-Valéry died before 13 February 1144.1,2,6
     GAV26.

; Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "Béatrix de Daours († 13 février 1144), fille de Jean de Daours, seigneur de Daours."4

; Per Med Lands:
     "[BEATRIX] de Saint-Valéry (-before 13 Feb 1144, bur Abbaye de Saint-Jean). Domesday Descendants records that the daughter of Renaud de Saint-Valéry was the mother of "Gerard II de Picquigny vidame d’Amiens", presumably indicating Gérard [II], and cites the cartulary of Oseney[760]. The chronology for this connection does not appear ideal, assuming that the dates of the members of the Picquigny family are accurately recorded in the present document. However, a connection (maybe a family relationship) between the Saint-Valéry and Picquigny families is shown by the letter written by Pope Alexander III to Henri Archbishop of Reims, dated 29 Mar 1154, to enforce reparations from "vicedominus Pinciniaco, Bern. de S. Walerico et Gualterius Tyrellus" for the damage which they had caused to the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Selincourt[761]. The wife of Guermond [I] is called Beatrix in secondary sources but the primary source on which this is based, as well as the source which records her date of death and place of burial which are shown above, has not yet been identified.
     "m GUERMOND [I] de Picquigny Vidame d’Amiens, son of --- (-after 1131).]"
Med Lands cites:
[760] Domesday Descendants, p. 698, citing Salter (1929-36), Vol. V, p. 1037.
[761] Veterum Scriptorum, Tome II, col. 826.2
Beatrix (?) de Saint-Valéry was also known as Beatrix de Daours.4

; Per Racines et Histoire (Saint-Valéry, et al): "1) Béatrix de Saint-Valéry + avant 13/02/1144
     ép. Guermond 1er de Picquigny, Vidame d’Amiens + après 1131 postérité Picquigny dont Gérard II"
Per Racines et Histoire (Picquigny): "Guermond II (ou Wermond) de Picquigny ° ~1080 + ~1131 (1128 ?) chevalier, Vidame d’Amiens, croisé (1096), Patriarche Latin de Jérusalem (~04/1118/1119-1128, succède à Arnould), réunit le Concile de Naplouse (1120), Régent du Royaume de Jérusalem (1123-24) pour Baudouin II (emprisonne Adam, Châtelain d’Amiens ; affronte une rebellion communale 1113-17 à Amiens, dans un conflit opposant l’Evêque Adam, le Châtelain Enguerrand, Thomas de Marle et le Roi Louis VI)
     ép. Béatrix de Daours + peu avant 13/02/1144 (inh.)6"

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Picquigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#BeatrixStValeryMGuermondIPicquigny. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#RenaudSaintValerydiedafter1165
  4. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des seigneurs de Picquigny: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_seigneurs_de_Picquigny#Germond_II_de_Picquigny_(v.1145_-_%E2%80%A0_v.1206). Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#AlienorSaintValerydied1250
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Saint-Valéry, Auffay & Neufmarché (Newmarch), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Saint-Valery-Auffay-Neufmarche.pdf
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#AdaPicquignyMDreuxMonchy

Baudouin de Beaumez seigneur de Beaumetz, chevalier, marechal de Cambresis, châtelain de Bapaume1

M, #20668
Last Edited14 May 2009

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Picquigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Guermond III de Picquigny1

M, #20669, b. circa 1145, d. 1206
FatherGerard I de Picquigny vidame d'Amiens1 d. 1178
MotherMathilde (?) d'Aumale1 d. a 1160
Last Edited14 May 2009
     Guermond III de Picquigny was born circa 1145.1 He married Flandrine (?) d'Amiens circa 1175.1
Guermond III de Picquigny died in 1206.1

Marguerite de Ponthieu1,2

F, #20670, b. circa 1180, d. between 6 November 1224 and 11 November 1224
FatherJean I (?) Comte de Ponthieu1,2,3,4 b. 1140
MotherBéatrix de St. Pol1,5 b. c 1160, d. a 1204
Last Edited4 Jun 2020
     Marguerite de Ponthieu was born circa 1180.1 She married Enguerrand I de Picquigny seigneur de Picquigny, vidame d'Amiens, son of Guermond III de Picquigny and Flandrine (?) d'Amiens, in 1209.6,2
Marguerite de Ponthieu died between 6 November 1224 and 11 November 1224.1

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Picquigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Ponthieu.pdf, p. 8.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean I https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139993&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#JeanIPonthieudied1191. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Béatrix de St.Pol: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164903&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Picquigny.pdf, p. 3.