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     Herbert/Heribert (?) comte de Toulouse died after 843.¹
     GAV-33.

     Arsinde (?) married Rémii/Remy (?)¹

     GAV-32.

     Garsinde (?) de Rouergue married Raymond (III) Pons (?) Comte de Toulouse et d'Auvergne, marquis de Gothie, son of Raimund II (?) Comte de Nîmes et d'Albi, de Toulouse and Guinidilda d’Urgel, after 920
; his 2nd wife.¹

     Sir Christopher Southworth married Isabel Dutton, daughter of Sir Thomas Dutton of Dutton and Anne Tuchet (de Audley).^1,2,5
Sir Christopher Southworth was born in 1443.²
Sir Christopher Southworth died in 1487.²
      ; van de Pas cites: 1. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, 7th edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 13
2. Living Descendants of Blood royal in America, Angerville, Count d', Reference: 461.²

     Sir William Wallace of Craigie married Margaret/Marjorie Dunbar, daughter of Sir David Dunbar of Cockburn, after 1453.^1,2

Sir William Wallace of Craigie died after 14 October 1488; Ravilious cites:
13. Charles Rogers, "The Book of Wallace," Edinburgh: Printed for the Grampian Club, 1889.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com.¹
      ; Ravilious cites: cf. CP III:510[12] [Crawford, Earls of]
12. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.¹

      ; per Clagett: "According to the new ODNB, Peter de la Mare was "probably the son of Sir Reynold de la Mare, a Herefordshire knight," and brother of Malcolm de la Mare, also a member of Parliament. No children are mentioned, and it is stated that "he may have been unmarried."¹

     Marianna Guiccialdini married Francesco Tornabuoni, son of Simone di Tieri.¹

     Simone di Tieri died in 1393.¹

     Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe married Alice Frognal.⁴
Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe was born in 1468.¹
Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe died on 28 January 1545.¹
      ; van de Pas cites: 1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: Q 118313
2. Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: 922.¹

     Alice Frognal married Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe, son of Sir William Gascoigne Knt., of Gawthorpe, Yorks and Lady Margaret de Percy.¹

      ; van de Pas cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: Q 118313.¹

     Sir Lawrence fitz Richard de Cornwall died before 1285.¹
      ; per mjcar email: I am deeply indebted to Annette Hudleston Harwood for sharing her collection of primary to Lawrence de Cornwall, ancestral to the Hudleston family of Millom, Cumberland.

Annette has confirmed that the late C. Roy Hudleston has posited that Lawrence was an illegitimate son of Richard, Earl of Cornwall and King of the Romans (1209-1272).

The evidence she has collected includes:

- Lawrence, son of Richard of Cornwall, knight, confirmed grant to St. Agatha's Abbey (Easby) of land in Barton, 1271 (VCH Yorks, N Riding, Vol 1, p 150 sub Barton). Richard, Earl of Cornwall had previously been granted land including Barton by Henry III; Lawrence FitzRichard's lands at Barton subsequently passed to the Hudlestons.

- The Records of Kendal, Vols 1 and 2 show that Sir Lawrence FitzRichard was a knight of William de Lancaster (died 1246), being present at the latter's death-bed according to his IPM. He appears as a witness to Lancaster charters by 1246. Interestingly, one document refers to him thus:

"William de Arundel (sic) gave to Laurence son of Richard, his kinsman (cognatus )... the service of Ingram de Santon... to hold by doing the 20th part of a knight's fee to the grantor or his heirs" [Vol 2, p 419]

[NB This is the quote Annette gave me; it is unclear whether William de Lancaster is intended - MAR]

Lawrence was granted lands at Ulverston by William de Lancaster, in which he was succeeded by his son, Robert (both Lawrence and Robert were also referred to as de Kirkby, as they held lands at Kirkby Ireleth, Lancs).

His connection with William de Lancaster is underlined by his apparent assumption of arms. Whereas de Lancaster bore: argent, two bars gules and on a canton gules a leopard or.

According to Hudleston & Boumphrey, Lawrence bore: argent, two bars gules and on a canton gules a cross moline or [Cumberland Families & Heraldry, p 192 sub Kirkby].

Chronologically, it seems possible that Richard of Cornwall, born January 1209, could have fathered an illegitimate son old enough to have served in a noble household by 1246, by which time he could have been approaching 20 years of age.

Lawrence was living in 1274 but dead by 1285.

Thanks again to Annette for kindly sharing her considerable research in this field.

MAR.¹ He was living in 1274.¹

     Muza ibn Muza ibn Qasi (?) died in 788.¹
      ; per Farmerie email:
"Leo van de Pas wrote: Inigo Iniguez Arista who lived from about 790 to 852 has been recorded as King of Pamplona from 822 until he died. I found a description about him that he was "a Basque leader, which in that time implied he was a Muslim". Can anyone confirm this, or add any other details about him?
     "No implication concerning religion can be made based solely on him being a Basque, and if any were to be reached, this would be the wrong one. This was on the boundary of muslim control, and it was a patchwork of religious preferences. Aznar Galindez, another Basque leader, was almost certainly christian (closely allied with Louis the Pious), as were the Basque leaders to the north (better known as Gascons). The local Romano-Basque Banu Qasi were muslim, but they seem to have been the exception. Further, unlike the Banu Qasi, which used a mizture of muslim and christian names, the names found in this family - Inigo, Fortun, Garcia, Sancho, Velasco, Oneca, Jimena, Sancha, Toda, Urraca, Aznar (even Auria) are all Basque or Latin in origin. What we know is that Inigo Arista was maternal half-brother of Muza ibn Muza ibn Qasi, but we do not know the religion of their common mother, nor even the order of marriage (although based on the death of Muza ibn Fortun in 788, it seems likely that Inigo was the second husband, but this is not without problems either (his grandson was active on an embassy in the 840s. It is reported in muslim sources that Inigo suffered from paralysis (it is unclear if it was traumatic or stroke-related) and his son Garcia was militarily active from the early 840s, perhaps in lieu of his father. A brother (of Inigo and Muza) Fortun Iniguez was a well respected leader, but was killed about this time. Inigo's death is reported in (IIRC) in the muslim year that spanned 851/2. taf“.¹

     Gutierre Mendes (?) married Elvira (?)

     GAV-33.

; per Todd Farmerie (and Leo van de Pas) email: [quote] Leo van de Pas wrote:
> I have fragments of two Spanish families but I really think it is one and the same. However, different spelling also make me ask : can anyone tell what is correct?
>
> Guturre Mendes, Count of Coimbra married Elvira Agatoimes
> their son
> Hermengilde Guterres, Count of Coimbra married Hermesinda Gatonez, her parents not mentioned
> their daughter
> Elvira Menedez died circa October 921, having married 890/900 Ordono II, King of Asturias
>
> second line
> Gutier married Elvira
> their son Hermenegildo Gutierrez married Hermesinda Gatonez, daughter of Gaton, Count of Viero and Egilona
> their daughter
> Illdoncia died in 942 and was married to Count Gutierre Osorez.

These are the same - Elvira and Ildoncia were sisters (and Gutierre Osorez was their first cousin, son of Osorio Gutierrez, brother of Hermengildo. I don't think that there is any evidence that Gutierre, their father, was Count of Coimbra, and his patronymic is somewhat speculative. As to Elvira "Agatoimes", this patronymic should also be rejected, it being a Portuguese rendering of Gatonez - someone has mistakenly given the mother-in-law the patronymic of the daughter-in-law. I am not sure, off hand, if Egilona is well supported or not.
taf [end quote].¹

     Elvira (?) married Gutierre Mendes (?)

     GAV-33.

     Mathieu (?) married Ida (?) of Flanders, Cts de Boulogne-sur-Mer, daughter of Matthieu/Matthias I (?) de Lorraine, Count of Flanders, Comte de Boulogne-sur-Mer and Marie de Blois Abbess of Romsey, Comtesse de Boulogne, before 1180
; her 1st husband.^1,2,3,4,5 Mathieu (?) and Ida (?) of Flanders, Cts de Boulogne-sur-Mer were divorced in 1180.^2,3

     Godefroi (?) de Boulogne, Bâtard de Boulogne died on 28 June 1113 at battle of Sinnabrahn; Al Sinnabrahn contre l’atabeg Tughtikin de Damas et Mawdud de Mosoul.^1,2
      ; per Richardson: "...illegitimate, styled "nephew" [nepos] of King Baldwin I of Jerusalem."¹

     Robert de Caieu married Sybille (?) Dame de Tingry, daughter of Faramus/Pharamuse (?) Seigneur de Boulogne-Tingry, of Carshalton, Surrey and Maud/Mathilde (?), after 1189
; her 2nd husband.²
Robert de Caieu died after 1197.¹
     ; Per Ravilious: “E2. Sibyl of Boulogne (or Tingry), +1212/14, m. (1) Enguerrand de Fiennes, seigneur of Fiennes (Pas de Calais) (+killed at Acre 1189); m. (2) Robert de Caieu (or Cayeu) (+after 1197)”.² Robert de Caieu was also known as Robert de Cayeu.¹

     Simon (?) de Boulogne died after 1130.¹

     Gilbert de Gant Earl of Lincoln married Rohese de Clare, daughter of Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare Lord of Clare and Tonbridge and Alice/Adeliza (?) of Chester,
; her 1st husband.^3,1,2 Gilbert de Gant Earl of Lincoln was born circa 1120 at Bridlington, England.^1,2
Gilbert de Gant Earl of Lincoln died in 1156; d.s.p.m.^1,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites:
1. The Ancestry of Elizabeth of York, 1999 , Lewis, Marlyn, Reference: 3266
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VII 672.¹

     Joanna (?) de Meschines married Adam II de Brus Lord of Skelton, Cleveland, son of Adam II de Brus and Juetta de Arches.¹

      ; Leo van de Pas cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H., Reference: 140.¹

     Rohese de Clare married Gilbert de Gant Earl of Lincoln, son of Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln and Maud (Matilda) (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre,
; her 1st husband.^1,2,3 Rohese de Clare married Robert 'the Sewer' fitz Robert (?)
; her second husband.⁴
Rohese de Clare died after 1156.⁵
      ; per Ravilious: Rohese de Clare*
Death: aft 1156[1]

Genealogics #I00333201[3]

she m. 1stly Gilbert de Gant, Earl of Lincoln;
2ndly Robert (the sewer of William de Percy)[4]


cf. EYC II:195, 433, 434-6
EYC IX:8
EYC XI:92, 101-2[5]

Spouse: Gilbert de Gant
Birth: ca 1120[1]
Death: 1156, d.s.p.m.[1]
Father: Walter de Gant (-1139)
Mother: Maud of Brittany

Children: Alice (-1185), m. Simon III de St. Liz

Ravilious cites: 1. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
2. "PIPE ROLL OF 31 HENRY I (1130)," http://www.constitution.org/sech/sech_025.txt includes citations from the Pipe Roll 31 Hen I (1129/30), also from other 'miscellaneous' rolls: e.g. 5 Steph (1139), re: Hugh d'Auberville.
3. "Genealogics," website by Leo van de Pas, http://www.genealogics.com
4. William Farrer, Hon.D.Litt., Editor, "Early Yorkshire Charters," Ballantyne, Hanson & Co., Edinburgh, 1915-1916, Vol. II (1915) Vol. III (1916), Vol. XII [the family of Constable of Flamborough], courtesy Rosie Bevan, Vol. V [Manfield fee, pp. 53-58 ], courtesy Rosie Bevan, , SGM, 26 Feb 2002.
5. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "Gilbert son of Roger fitz Reinfred," 23 Jun 1999, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites EYC 2:195, 433, 434-6, 9:8, 11:92, 101-2 and other sources.
6. William Brown, ed., "Yorkshire Inquisitions of the Reigns of Henry III and Edward I, Vol. I," The Yorkshire Archaeological and Topographical Association, Record Series, printed for the Society, 1892, Records Series, Vol. XII, for the year 1891.
7. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
8. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
9. Douglas Richardson, "Mortimer account," November 19, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, cites sources for history of Mortimer family, including Wigmore chronicle (in Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum).
10. W. H. Bliss, ed., "Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and Ireland," Papal Letters, Vol. II (A.D. 1305 - 1342), London: for the Public Record Office, 1895, (reprinted 1971, Kraus-Thomson, Liechtenstein).
11. G. W. S. Barrow, "Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm of Scotland," Edinburgh University Press, 1976 (2nd ed.)
12. William Brown, B.A., ed., "Yorkshire Inquisitions," The Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Record Series), various dates:, Vol. I (Record series vol. XII) - 1892, Vol. II(Record series vol. XXIII) - 1898, Vol. III (Record series vol. XXXI) - 1902, Vol. IV (Record series vol. XXXVII) - 1906.
13. "International Genealogical Index," IGI: published through LDS website,http://www.familysearch.org
14. A. Gooder, Ph.D., "The Parliamentary Representation of the Countyof York, 1258-1832, Vol. I," The Yorkshire Archaeological Society,Record Series, Vol. XCI (1935), Wakefield: Printed for the Society, 1935.
15. M. T. Martin, ed., "The Percy Chartulary," Durham: Andrews & Co., Published for the Society, 1911 (Surtees Soc., vol. 117).⁵

Reference: Genealogics cites:

1. The Ancestry of Elizabeth of York, 1999 , Lewis, Marlyn, Reference: 3267.
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VII 672.⁶

     Robert 'the Sewer' fitz Robert (?) married Rohese de Clare, daughter of Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare Lord of Clare and Tonbridge and Alice/Adeliza (?) of Chester,
; her second husband.¹
     Robert 'the Sewer' fitz Robert (?) was per Leo van de Pas "described as 'Sewer of William de Percy.¹'"

; Leo van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VII 673.¹

     Alice de Gant married Simon III de St. Liz Earl of Huntingdon & Northamptonshire, son of Simon II de St. Liz Earl of Huntingdon and Elizabeth (Isabel) de Beaumont.^1,3,4

Alice de Gant died in 1185.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites:
1. The Ancestry of Elizabeth of York, 1999 , Lewis, Marlyn, Reference: 1633
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VII 673.¹

     William de Busli married Rohesia de Clare, daughter of Baldwin Fitz Gilbert de Clare Lord of Bourne, Deeping and Adeline de Rollos Baroness of Bourne, co. Lincoln.¹
William de Busli was born circa 1090.¹
William de Busli died circa 1164.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H., Reference: 142.¹ GAV-25.

     Emma (?) married Richard de Busli, son of Jordan de Busli, in 1141.¹

     GAV-25.

; Leo van de Pas cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H., Reference: 142.¹

     Richard de Busli was born in 1116.¹ He married Emma (?) in 1141.³

Richard de Busli died in 1179.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H., Reference: 142.¹ GAV-25.

     Jordan de Busli was born circa 1091.¹
Jordan de Busli died in 1162.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H., Reference: 142.¹ GAV-26.

     William de Busli married Hawise Espec, daughter of William Espec.¹

William de Busli died in 1115.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H., Reference: 142.¹ GAV-26.