Robert II de Peronne1

M, #19981, d. circa 1080
FatherRobert I de Peronne d. c 1028
MotherAdelise (?)
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Robert II de Peronne died circa 1080.
     EDV-28.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Hugues II d'Oisy châtelain de Cambrai, seigneur d’Oisy et de Crévecoeur1,2

M, #19982, d. 1131
FatherHugues I (?) châtelain de Cambrai, Oisy, Inchy et Crévecoeur3,4 d. a 1111
MotherAda de Rumigny4,3
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited5 Nov 2020
     Hugues II d'Oisy châtelain de Cambrai, seigneur d’Oisy et de Crévecoeur married Heldiarde de Mons circa 1090.1,2,5

Hugues II d'Oisy châtelain de Cambrai, seigneur d’Oisy et de Crévecoeur died in 1131.
     EDV-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 7:57.5

Family

Heldiarde de Mons d. 31 Mar 1145
Children

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Cambrai.pdf, p. 4.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes & Châtelains de Cambrai, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Cambrai.pdf
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfracado.htm#HuguesCambraidied1111B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II de Cambrai-Oisy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122026&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Cambrai.pdf, p. 5.
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#SimonOisyCambraidiedbefore1171

Heldiarde de Mons

F, #19983, d. 31 March 1145
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Heldiarde de Mons married Hugues II d'Oisy châtelain de Cambrai, seigneur d’Oisy et de Crévecoeur, son of Hugues I (?) châtelain de Cambrai, Oisy, Inchy et Crévecoeur and Ada de Rumigny, circa 1090.1,2,3

Heldiarde de Mons died on 31 March 1145.2
     EDV-27.

; descendante des comtes de Hainaut.1

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Cambrai.pdf, p. 4.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II de Cambrai-Oisy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122026&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Cambrai.pdf, p. 5.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#SimonOisyCambraidiedbefore1171. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Gauthier III (?) Sire de Tenremond1

M, #19984
FatherGauthier II (?) Sire de Tenremond d. 1173
ReferenceGKJ25
Last Edited15 Dec 2020
     Gauthier III (?) Sire de Tenremond married Alice de Rozoy, daughter of Renaud de Rozoy Sire de Rozoy et de Château-Porcien and Julienne de Rumigny.

     GKJ-25.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Alice de Rozoy1

F, #19985
FatherRenaud de Rozoy Sire de Rozoy et de Château-Porcien1 b. c 1130, d. 1188
MotherJulienne de Rumigny1 b. c 1155, d. c 1211
ReferenceEDV26 GKJ25
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Alice de Rozoy married Gauthier III (?) Sire de Tenremond, son of Gauthier II (?) Sire de Tenremond.

     EDV-26 GKJ-25.

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Julienne de Rumigny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027113&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Gauthier II (?) Sire de Tenremond

M, #19986, d. 1173
FatherDaniel (?) Sire de Tenremond
ReferenceGKJ26
Last Edited15 Dec 2020
     Gauthier II (?) Sire de Tenremond died in 1173.
     GKJ-26.

Daniel (?) Sire de Tenremond

M, #19987
FatherGauthier I de Tenremond
ReferenceGKJ27
Last Edited15 Dec 2020
     GKJ-27.

Family

Child

Gauthier I de Tenremond

M, #19988
FatherBaldwin de Gant Sire d'Alost1 b. c 1038
MotherAda (?)1
ReferenceEDV29 GKJ28
Last Edited9 Nov 2020
     EDV-29GKJ-28.

unknown (?)

F, #19989
ChartsAncestors - Martha Arnold Susong
ReferenceGKJ7
Last Edited31 Jan 2003
     Unknown (?) married Isaac Cloud, son of Mary Green.1,2

     GKJ-7.

Family

Isaac Cloud b. 1704, d. 1752
Child

Citations

  1. [S1159] Unknown compiler, compiler, mccubbin.ged (n.p.: n.pub.), Date of Import: Jan 15, 2002.
  2. [S1158] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:1921495, Ellis (unknown location), downloaded updated 18 Deb 2002.

Renaud de Rozoy Sire de Rozoy et de Château-Porcien1

M, #19990, b. circa 1130, d. 1188
FatherClarembaud (?) Seigneur de Rozoy1,2,3 d. b 1158
MotherElizabeth (?) de Namur1,4 b. a 1087, d. a 1148
ReferenceEDV24 GKJ06
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Renaud de Rozoy Sire de Rozoy et de Château-Porcien married Clemence (?) de Roucy
; his 1st wife.5,1 Renaud de Rozoy Sire de Rozoy et de Château-Porcien and Clemence (?) de Roucy were divorced.5,1 Renaud de Rozoy Sire de Rozoy et de Château-Porcien was born circa 1130.6 He married Julienne de Rumigny, daughter of Nicholas III de Rumigny seigneur de Florennes, Rumigny et Chièvres and Ève /Ida/Eva (?) de Chièvres dite Domizon, circa 1171
; his 2nd wife.1,6
Renaud de Rozoy Sire de Rozoy et de Château-Porcien died in 1188.6
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Kwartierstaten compiled during WWII in the office of De Nederlandsche Leeuw , Drs. Arie Veth.
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 199.1
EDV-24 GKJ-26. He was living in 1171.1

Family 1

Clemence (?) de Roucy d. a 1154
Child

Family 2

Julienne de Rumigny b. c 1155, d. c 1211
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Renaud de Rozoy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027112&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clarembaud: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027110&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#ClarembaudRozoydiedbefore1158. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Namur: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027108&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clémence de Roucy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027124&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicolas de Rozoy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00165117&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Julienne de Rumigny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027113&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roger de Rozoy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027114&tree=LEO

Julienne de Rumigny1,2

F, #19991, b. circa 1155, d. circa 1211
FatherNicholas III de Rumigny seigneur de Florennes, Rumigny et Chièvres1,3,4,5 d. b 1179
MotherÈve /Ida/Eva (?) de Chièvres dite Domizon1,4,6,5 b. c 1110, d. 1179
ReferenceEDV27 GKJ26
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Julienne de Rumigny was born circa 1155.2 She married Renaud de Rozoy Sire de Rozoy et de Château-Porcien, son of Clarembaud (?) Seigneur de Rozoy and Elizabeth (?) de Namur, circa 1171
; his 2nd wife.7,2
Julienne de Rumigny died circa 1211.2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Kwartierstaten compiled during WWII in the office of De Nederlandsche Leeuw , Drs. Arie Veth
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 199
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 76.1 EDV-27 GKJ-26. She was living in 1171.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Julienne de Rumigny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027113&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicolas III de Rumigny: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027420&tree=LEO
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#NicolasIIIRumignydiedbefore1179B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eve de Chièvres 'dite Domizon': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027421&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Renaud de Rozoy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027112&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roger de Rozoy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027114&tree=LEO

Clemence (?) de Roucy1

F, #19992, d. after 1154
Last Edited14 Nov 2019
     Clemence (?) de Roucy married Renaud de Rozoy Sire de Rozoy et de Château-Porcien, son of Clarembaud (?) Seigneur de Rozoy and Elizabeth (?) de Namur,
; his 1st wife.1,2 Clemence (?) de Roucy and Renaud de Rozoy Sire de Rozoy et de Château-Porcien were divorced.1,2
Clemence (?) de Roucy died after 1154.1
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 148.1 She was living in 1154.1

Family

Renaud de Rozoy Sire de Rozoy et de Château-Porcien b. c 1130, d. 1188
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clémence de Roucy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027124&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Renaud de Rozoy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027112&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicolas de Rozoy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00165117&tree=LEO

Gottfried (?)1

M, #19993
FatherSimon I (?) Graf von Saarbrücken1 d. 1183
MotherMechtild (?) von Sponheim1
Last Edited23 May 2004
      ; a canon in Mainz.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Leiningen 1 page (The House of Leiningen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/leiningen/leiningen1.html

Jonetta Keith Heiress of Dalserf and Galston1

F, #19994, d. after 11 December 1406
FatherSir William de Keith of Galston2,3,4
Last Edited24 Apr 2018
     Jonetta Keith Heiress of Dalserf and Galston married Sir David Hamilton 3rd of Cadzow, son of David FitzWalter FitzGilbert Hamilton 2nd of Cadzow and Margaret Ross,
; her 1st husband.5,3,4,6,1 Jonetta Keith Heiress of Dalserf and Galston married Sir Alexander Stewart of Darnley, son of Sir Alexander Stewart of Darnley and Joanna (?), after 1381
; her 2nd husband.2,4,7,8,1
Jonetta Keith Heiress of Dalserf and Galston died after 11 December 1406.2,4,1
      ; I agree that, in general, the account for any Scots family in SP
is superior to any published before, and likely many since. At the
same time, some (perhaps many) of the accounts in SP have portions
which have been worked on little since Sir Robert Douglas or before;
additional records have been analyzed which were not used, or known to
exist, prior to say 1900-1910; and the relevant chronology has provided
a means for determining that earlier accounts are either incomplete or
in error.

The basic problem with the account in SP, as you cite above:

1) Sir William Keith of Galston was slain at Stirling in 1336
she.

2) Janet Keith, heiress of Galston, was married 1st to Sir David
de Hamilton of Cadzow. Sir
David succeeded his father ca. 1375-1378. An exact date as to
his marriage to Janet Keith
is not known, but we known Sir David was alive in 1381, and
that he died sometime before
Nov. 1388 [G. Hamilton, House of Hamilton, p. 5, cites Frasers of Pitorth, p. 120].

3) Janet Keith married 2ndly Alexander Stewart, son and heir of
Sir Alexander Stewart of
Darnley. The earliest possible date this marriage could have
occurred is 1381, and the
earliest possible date for legitimate issue of this marriage to
have been born is 1382. Janet's
eldest son by this marriage, Sir John Stewart, succeeded his
grandfather Sir Alexander
Stewart in Darnley and Cruikston by 1406, when he witnessed a
grant by his mother Janet
to his half-brother Andrew Hamilton of lands at Galston ( in
her widowhood, she granted lands
in Galston to her son Andrew Hamilton in a charter dated 11 Dec
1406. Witnesses included
' Willielmus de Hamyltoun, filius meus, Miles; et Joannes
Senescallus, filius meus, dominus
de Cruickston ' [Andrew Stuart, p. 102]).

4) After Sir John Stewart, Janet Keith had additional issue by
Alexander Stewart: these included
sons Robert and James, for whom a grant of part of the ?5 lands
in Newton was made in
1399 [Andrew Stuart, pp. 102, 104]. I also show Janet Stewart,
subsequently wife of Thomas
Somerville of Cambusnethan, as a daughter of this marriage. If
there were only these three
addtional children of Alexander Stewart and Janet Keith, and if
their son John Stewart was
born as early as 1382, it seems reasonable to assume these
births occurred over a period
of no earlier than 1383, and no later than 1385/1386.

This would then place Janet Keith as having issue by Alexander
Stewart in 1385/1386, and possibly later.

The account in SP would have Janet Keith being born in 1336 (the
year her father was slain at Stirling), and very likely before. If
correct, then, Janet Keith was bearing children (her 4th at least by
Alexander Stewart, after 6 by David Hamilton) at an age of somewhere
between 50 and 60 years.

I believe that Andrew MacEwen has found documentation that
supports there being a 2nd Sir William Keith of Galston, son of the Sir
William slain in 1336, who was father of Janet Keith. The chronology
in SP, as documented above, is flawed, and supports there being an
intervening generation between Sir Willam (d. 1336) and Janet Keith (d.
after 11 Dec 1406).

Andrew MacEwen's analysis of the earlier generations of the
Keiths of Galston, incl. the passage of the Galbraith lands to this
family, is what has found the derivation in SP (Robert vs. Bernard) to
be in error.

Cheers,
John.6

; Many thanks for this detailed post. In addition to setting forth the ancestry of Beatrice " fitz Henry ", you have provided an interesting connection between the Fitz Hugh and Douglas families through their common descent from Roger de Flamville.

As to the connection you show between the Douglas family and that of Galbraith, this actually leads to a very interesting line of descent. One document you provided a complete transcription for was an inquisition concerning the lands of Dalserf, dated Dec. 30, 1303 [1]. Specifically, this shows that one Johanna (de) Galbraith, daughter of William de Galbraith and Willelma de Douglas, was married to a 'Bernard de Cathe'. This in fact is a gentleman better known as Bernard de Keith, identified by Andrew B. W. MacEwen as the younger brother of Sir William de Keith (d. ca. 1293) and ancestor of the Keiths of Galston.

The descents via Bernard de Keith and Joan de Galbraith
appear as follows:


1) Sarah ' filia = William Comyn = 2) Marjory of
Roberti' I E of Buchan I Buchan
I V
I
Richard Comyn of Badenoch d.ca. 1245
I____
I
Sir John Comyn of Badenoch
_____I_______________________
I I
William mac = NN Comyn John Comyn of Badenoch
Arthur de I = Eleanor de Baliol
Galbraith I_____ I
d. aft 1253 I V
I
Sir William = Willelma de Douglas
de Galbraith I d. 1302
_______I_____________________________
I I I I
Bernard de = Joan de Galbraith sisters/coheirs
Keith, of I d. 1301
Galston I
___________I___________
I I
Bernard Sir William Keith of Galston
k. at Stirling, 1336
____I
I
Sir William Keith of Galston
I
I
1) Sir David = Janet Keith = 2) Alexander Stewart
de Hamilton I heiress I dvp 1402
d bef Nov 1388 I d aft 1406 I laird of Galston dju
I I
V V
from whom, HAMILTON from whom, STEWART of Darnley
(Dukes/Marquesses/etc) (Earls of Lennox/Kings of Scots/etc)


I will post a more detailed pedigree later, but the above illustrates the newly identified descent of the Stewart and Hamilton families, via Keith of Galston, from the Douglas, Galbraiths and Comyns.
Many thanks for this fine addition!
Cheers, John


NOTES

[1] Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland Preserved in Her Majesties Public Record Office, London, Vol. II 1272-1307, edited by Joseph Bain, Edinburgh, 1884:

#1420. Dec. 30, 1303.
Inquisition at Lanark on Monday the morrow of St. Thomas the Martyr 1303, by the king's command in presence of Magnus de Strathearne and Nicholas de Benbathe, viceregents of the earl of Carrick Sheriff of Lanark, by Patrick de Achenlek, Hugh de Galbrathe, Adam the Black, Adam of Doean, William Casse, John son of the widow, Willaim Culle, Adam the Miller, David son of Adam, Laurence son of William, John Littil, John Cabok jurors; who say that Sir John Comyn, grandfather of the present Sir John Comyn, gave the land of Dalserfe to Sir William de Galbrathe in frank marriage with his daughter. It is held neither by ward or relief, nor any other service till the third heir. The said Sir William gave it to his son William in frank marriage with Lady Willelma, daughter of the late Sir William de Duglas; which 'said Williams' begot four daughters, coheiresses Johanna the mother of Bernard de Cathe, was the eldest; to whom the demesne should belong, and was at the king's peace at her death at Candelmas 1301.
Her mother Lady Willelma died after her daughter, in possession of the tenement, within the Feast of the Lord's Nativity 1302. They say that Dalserf was held of the late Sir John Comyn, and now of Sir Robert the Constable by the king's gift. The fourth part pays yearly £3 0s. 4d. in all issues. The seals of Patrick de Achinlek and Hugh de Galbrathe are only appended, as the others have no seals. The inquisition is enclosed under Nicholas de Benhathe's seal only, as the seal of Magnus is lost. [Exchequer T.R. Miscellanea, No. 46/14]. Seals lost; 3 tags remain.4


Jonetta Keith Heiress of Dalserf and Galston was also known as Janet Keith.2,4

Reference: van de Pas cites:
     1. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938. Page 59
     2. The Scots Peerage 1904-1914, nine volumes , Paul, Sir James Balfour. VOl IV 339-382-396.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jonetta Keith, Heiress of Dalserf and Galston: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056982&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Abercorn Family Page.
  4. [S1728] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #1 17 Jan 2005 "Re: Ancestry of Beatrice, wife of Robert Hauley - Part Two"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #1 17 Jan 2005."
  5. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page (see ABERCORN, D).
  6. [S1729] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 17 Jan 2005 "Re: Ancestry of Beatrice, wife of Robert Hauley - Part Two"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 17 Jan 2005."
  7. [S1730] Will Johnson, "Johnson email 17 Jan 2005 "Re: Ancestry of Beatrice, wife of Robert Hauley - Part Two"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Johnson email 17 Jan 2005."
  8. [S1731] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 17 Jan 2005 "Re: Ancestry of Beatrice, wife of Robert Hauley - Part Two"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #3 17 Jan 2005."

Adam I de Béthune seigneur de Bessan1

M, #19995, d. circa 1156
FatherRobert III «Le Chauve» de Bethune seigneur de Béthune et Richebourg, avoué d’Arras, Régent de Flandres1 d. 6 Oct 1101
Last Edited14 Aug 2019
     Adam I de Béthune seigneur de Bessan died circa 1156.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Adalbert de Gand 1er Châtelain héréditaire de Gand1

M, #19996, b. circa 979, d. circa 1032
FatherArnulf I 'Gandensis' (?) Count of Holland and West Friesland2 b. c 950, d. 18 Sep 993
MotherLiutgard (?) de Luxembourg2 b. c 962, d. 14 May 1005
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited26 Dec 2013
     Adalbert de Gand 1er Châtelain héréditaire de Gand married Ermengarde (?) de Flandres, daughter of Baudouin IV "le Barbu" (?) Graaf van Vlaanderen, Cmte de Valenciennes and Otgiva/Ogive (?) de Luxembourg.3,4,1
Adalbert de Gand 1er Châtelain héréditaire de Gand was born circa 979 at Gand, Flanders, Belgium (now).2
Adalbert de Gand 1er Châtelain héréditaire de Gand died circa 1032.3,4,1
     GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-28. Adalbert de Gand 1er Châtelain héréditaire de Gand was also known as Adalbert (?) Cte de Gand.3

Baldwin de Gant Sire d'Alost1

M, #19998, b. circa 1038
FatherRudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders1 b. c 1009, d. a 1058
MotherGisèle/Gisela (?) von Luxembourg1,2 b. b 1019, d. a 1058
Last Edited7 Nov 2020
     Baldwin de Gant Sire d'Alost married Ada (?)
Baldwin de Gant Sire d'Alost was born circa 1038.1

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32517
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisela von Luxemburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092004&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32518

Manasses I/II (?) Count de Rethel1,2

M, #20000
ReferenceGAV29 EDV28
Last Edited16 Dec 2020
     Manasses I/II (?) Count de Rethel married Judith de Roucy, daughter of Ebalus/Ebles (?) de Poitou,
; his 1st wife.3,2 Manasses I/II (?) Count de Rethel married Dada (?) in 1026
; his 2nd wife.3
      ; NB: There is confusion about the line of the various men named Manasses who were comtes de Rethel and their wives (Judity de Roucy, Judith, Yvetter de Roucy, etc.)
I. Weis states unequivocally Manasses III m. "Yvette de Roucy, dau. of Giselbert (151-20), Count of Roucy". In addition to this Yvette, Weis also assigns Ebles I as a child of this Giselbert. Weis does not show any ancestry for Manasses III.
II. Genealogics offers the following (showing no parents for Manasses I):
II.1 Manasses I, Comte de Réthel m. Judith de Roucy
II.2 Manasses II, Comte de Réthel m. Judith b. Est 1020
II.3 Hugues I, Comte de Réthel

III. Med Lands offers a different descent:
III.1 Manasses I, Comte de Réthel d. aft 989 m. Oradela de Castres
III.2 Manasses II, Comte de Réthel b. 942/960 d. aft 1026 m. Dada
(unclear relation to Manasses III, possibly grandson)
III.3 Manasses III, Comte de Réthel m. Judith, one of three possible women:
(1) JUDITH [de Roucy, daughter of --- & his wife ---]. Given the estimated birth date of Judith, wife of Comte Manassès, as shown above, it is chronologically impossible for her to have been the daughter of Giselbert Comte de Roucy, who died in the last years of the 10th century. However, it is not impossible that she was the uterine half-sister of Ebles Comte de Roucy, assuming that their mother remarried after the death of her husband Giselbert.
(2) [IDA] [de Boulogne, daughter of EUSTACHE I Comte de Boulogne & his wife Mathilde de Louvain.]
(3) [JUDITH] of Lotharingia, daughter of GODEFROI "le Barbu" Duke of Lower Lotharingia & his first wife Doda ---
III.4 Hugues, Comte de Réthel

IV. Genealogy.EU (Rethel Family) offers the following:
IV.1 Menasses I, Ct de Rethel, *935, +after 974; m.Odélie (*940)
IV.2 Menasses II, Ct de Rethel, *965, +990; 1m: Yvette de Roucy (*976/985); 2m: 1026 Dada N
IV.3 Menasses III, Ct de Rethel, *990, +1056, fl 1081; m.Judith de Roucy (his mother younger sister) (*990 +? 1081
IV.4 Hugues I, Cte de Rethel, *1030

V. Racines et Histoire (Rethel) shows two variants:
R&H Variant I:
V.I.1 Manasses I de Réthel, Ct de Réthel , +after 989
V.I.2 Manasses II de Réthel , Ct de Réthel m: 1026 Dada N
R&H Variant II:
V.II.1 Manasses I d'Omont, (935-aft 989) Ct de Réthel , +after 989
V.II.2 Roger
V.II.3 Manasses II, (965-aft 1026) Ct de Rethel, m Dada/Doda/Yvette de Roucy
V.II.4 Manasses III, (990-1056) Ct de Rethel m. Judith/Ida de Boulogne
V.II.5 Hugues I, Cte de Rethel
Conclusion: In trying to construct a reasonable lineage, I have settled, for the moment, on two unconnected lines, mostly for chronological consistency:
1 Manasses I, Comte de Réthel d. aft 989 m. Oradela de Castres
2 Manasses II, Comte de Réthel b. 942/960 d. aft 1026 m. Dada

and (with no direct connection):
1 Manasses II, Comte de Réthel m. Judith de Roucy
2 Manasses III, Comte de Réthel m.
Judith b. Est 1020
3 Hugues I, Comte de Réthel

This is not entirely satisfactory and I continue to research issue. GA Vaut.4,5,6,7,8,9

; Menasses II, Ct de Rethel, *965, +990; 1m: Yvette de Roucy (*976/985); 2m: 1026 Dada N.3 GAV-29 EDV-28 GKJ-28. Manasses I/II (?) Count de Rethel was living in 1026.2

Family 1

Judith de Roucy b. 990, d. 1081
Child

Family 2

Dada (?)

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Rethel 1 page - Rethel family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/rethel1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Manasses I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122044&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Rethel 1 page - Rethel family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/rethel1.html
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Rethel Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/rethel1.html
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#_Toc52775944. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, https://www.genealogics.org/descendtext.php?personID=I00122044&tree=LEO&generations=
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Rethel, pp. 2-3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Rethel.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  8. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 103A-23, p. 107.. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  9. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 16 Dec 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."

Schwanhild|Suanehild (?) von Saxony1,2

F, #20001, b. circa 941, d. 24 November 1014
FatherHermann Billung (?) Mkgf of Lower Elbe, Herzog von Sachsen2,3,4,5,6 b. 900, d. 27 Mar 973
MotherOda (?)1,7,4 b. c 925
ReferenceGAV30 EDV31
Last Edited25 Nov 2020
     Schwanhild|Suanehild (?) von Saxony married Thietmar III (?) Graf der Mark Merseburg und der Mark Meissen, Graf von Thüringen, son of Christian (?) Markgraf der Sächsischen Ostmark and Hidda (?),
;
Her 1st husband.2,3,8 Schwanhild|Suanehild (?) von Saxony was born circa 941.1 She married Ekkehard I (?) Margrave of Meissen and Thuringia, son of Gunther (?) Markgraf von Meissen, after 979.9,2

Schwanhild|Suanehild (?) von Saxony died on 24 November 1014.1,2,3
Schwanhild|Suanehild (?) von Saxony was buried after 24 November 1014 at Benedictine Monastery of Saint George (Georgskirche), Naumburg, Burgenlandkreis, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Germany
     DEATH     28 Nov 1014
     Suanhilde was born between 945 and 955, and died November 28, 1014. She was the daughter of Hermann Billung and his first wife Countess Oda. Suanhilde first married in 970 Thietmar I (died after 979) Margrave of Meissen. Suanhilde and Thietmar had a son named Gero II, Margrave of the Saxon Ostmark. She married next before 1000 Ekkehard I (murdered April 30, 1002 in Pöhlde). He became Margrave of Meissen in 992. They had seven children:
** Liutgard (d. 1012), married Margrave Werner of the Northern March
** Herman I, Margrave of Meissen (d. 1038), married Regelinda, daughter of King Boles³aw I Chrobry of Poland
** Eckard II, Margrave of Meissen (d. 24 January 1046), married Uta, sister of Count Esico of Ballenstedt
** Gunther (d. 1025), Archbishop of Salzburg
** Eilward (d. 1023), Bishop of Meissen
** Matilda, married Dietrich II, Margrave of Lower Lusatia
** Oda (d. after 1018), married King Boles³aw I Chrobry of Poland

     Both Suanhilde and Ekehard was first buried in the monastery of Jena, they were reburied after 1028 in the Church of St. George in Naumburg
     Family Members
     Parents
          Hermann Billung unknown–973
     Spouses
          Ekkehard I Von Meissen unknown–1002
          Thietmar of Meissen
     Siblings
          Mathilde Billung unknown–1008
          Bernard I Duke Of Saxony 950–1011
     Children
          Gero II of the Saxon Ostmark unknown–1015
     BURIAL     Benedictine Monastery of Saint George, Naumburg, Burgenlandkreis, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany
     Created by: Kat
     Added: 1 Sep 2012
     Find a Grave Memorial 96383225.10
     GAV-30 EDV-31.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 10.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: I.1 143.11


; Per Med Lands: "SCHWANEHILDE [Suanhild] ([945/50]-26 Nov 1014, bur Kloster Jena, transferred 1028 to Naumburg Georgskirche). The Annalista Saxo names "domna Suanehildis" as daughter of "Herimanni ducis de Liuniburh", names her brothers "Bennonis ducis et Bernhardus et Liudigeri comitis et Machtildis comitisse" and her two husbands[248]. Her birth date range is estimated on the basis of her sister being born in [942] and Schwanehilde herself giving birth to seven children by her second husband. Thietmar records the marriage of Ekkehard and "Swanhild widow of Count Thietmar and Duke Bernhard's sister"[249]. Thietmar records the death of Suanhild 26 Nov 1014[250]. m firstly THIETMAR [III] Markgraf [der Ostmark], son of CHRISTIAN Graf im Nordthüring- und Schwabengau & his wife Hidda [der Ostmark] (-3 Aug after 979, bur Kloster Nienburg an der Saale). m secondly (before 1000) EKKEHARD [I] Markgraf von Meissen, son of GUNTHER Markgraf im Bischofstum Merseburg & his wife --- (-murdered Pöhlde 30 Apr 1002, bur Kloster Jena, transferred 1028 to Naumburg Georgskirche).
Med Lands cites:
[248] Annalista Saxo 1002.
[249] Thietmar 4.39, p. 179.
[250] Thietmar 7.7, p. 312.3

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I28267
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Schwanhild|Suanehild of Saxony: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00422386&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#Suanhildedied1014. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Hermann "Billung": https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/herma000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann Billung: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020356&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXONY.htm#BernhardIdied1011A
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020357&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thietmar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00422387&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ekkehard I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080036&tree=LEO
  10. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 08 April 2020), memorial page for Suanhilde Billung (unknown–28 Nov 1014), Find a Grave Memorial no. 96383225, citing Benedictine Monastery of Saint George, Naumburg, Burgenlandkreis, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany ; Maintained by Kat (contributor 47496397), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/96383225/suanhilde-billung. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Schwanhild|Suanehild of Saxony: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00422386&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#ThietmarIdiedafter979
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde von Meissen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022880&tree=LEO
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#MathildeMDietrichEilenburgWettin
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Oda von Meissen: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00422388&tree=LEO
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#Odadied1025
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00422390&tree=LEO

William Stewart1

M, #20002, d. 1429
FatherSir Alexander Stewart of Darnley1 d. c 1402
MotherJonetta Keith Heiress of Dalserf and Galston1,2 d. a 11 Dec 1406
Last Edited24 Apr 2018
     William Stewart died in 1429 at Rouvray, France; k at Rouvray in the defence of Orleans.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jonetta Keith, Heiress of Dalserf and Galston: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056982&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Sir William Keith of Galston1

M, #20003
FatherSir William de Keith of Galston2
Last Edited24 Apr 2018

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1728] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #1 17 Jan 2005 "Re: Ancestry of Beatrice, wife of Robert Hauley - Part Two"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #1 17 Jan 2005."

Sir David Hamilton 3rd of Cadzow1,2

M, #20004, d. before 14 May 1392
FatherDavid FitzWalter FitzGilbert Hamilton 2nd of Cadzow3 b. c 1320, d. bt 1374 - 1378
MotherMargaret Ross4
Last Edited24 Apr 2018
     Sir David Hamilton 3rd of Cadzow married Jonetta Keith Heiress of Dalserf and Galston, daughter of Sir William de Keith of Galston,
; her 1st husband.1,2,5,6,7
Sir David Hamilton 3rd of Cadzow died before 14 May 1392; Raviloius says d. bef Nov. 1388.2,6
      ; Sir DAVID HAMILTON, 3rd of Cadzow; had grants from ROBERT II 1375 and 1378; m Janet/Joan/Jonetta, dau of Sir William Keith, of Galston, and d by 14 May 1392.2

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page (see ABERCORN, D). Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Abercorn Family Page.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, David FitzWalter FitzGilbert Hamilton, 2nd of Cadzow: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056978&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Ross: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056979&tree=LEO
  5. [S1728] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #1 17 Jan 2005 "Re: Ancestry of Beatrice, wife of Robert Hauley - Part Two"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #1 17 Jan 2005."
  6. [S1729] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 17 Jan 2005 "Re: Ancestry of Beatrice, wife of Robert Hauley - Part Two"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 17 Jan 2005."
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jonetta Keith, Heiress of Dalserf and Galston: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056982&tree=LEO

Sir John Stuart laird of Darnley, 1st Seigneur d'Aubigny1,2

M, #20005, d. 12 February 1429
FatherSir Alexander Stewart of Darnley2 d. c 1402
MotherJonetta Keith Heiress of Dalserf and Galston2,3 d. a 11 Dec 1406
Last Edited24 Apr 2018
     Sir John Stuart laird of Darnley, 1st Seigneur d'Aubigny married Lady Elizabeth (?) of Lennox, daughter of Duncan (?) 8th Earl of Lennox, circa 1406
; Papal dispensation, 23 Sept 1406.1,2
Sir John Stuart laird of Darnley, 1st Seigneur d'Aubigny died on 12 February 1429 at Battle of Rouvray, France.1,2
     He was 1st Seigneur d'Aubigny.1

; Sir John, 1st Seigneur d'Aubigny, s his f in the feudal Barony of Darnley, took over 4,000 Scots to fight the English in France at the Dauphin's special request, 1421, captured Edmund Beaufort (later Duke of Somerset) at the battle of Beauge 1421, became Seigneur of Concressault and Aubigny in reward for his services, lost an eye and was captured by Ld Salisbury at Crevant 1423, but ransomed, was Constable of the Scots, in command of all Scottish troops in France from 1424, was granted the County of Evreux as a comte-pairie, 1426/7, and the right to quarter the Roy Arms of France, 1427/8, was joint French Ambassador to Scotland 1428, held Orleans against the English, and was k at the battle of Rouvray in a sortie during the siege, 12 Feb 1428/9. His branch of the family were the first to use the French spelling Stuart rather than Stewart, though there was then no consistent spelling of surnames. He m (Papal dispensation, 23 Sept 1406), Elizabeth (who d Nov 1429), yr dau and co-heiress of Duncan, 8th Earl of Lennox (beheaded 1425), and by her had issue.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1731] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 17 Jan 2005 "Re: Ancestry of Beatrice, wife of Robert Hauley - Part Two"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #3 17 Jan 2005."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jonetta Keith, Heiress of Dalserf and Galston: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056982&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Dedo V "der Feiste" (?) Markgraf der Nieder-Lausitz, Graf von Rochlitz, Graf von Groitzsch1,2,3

M, #20006, d. 16 August 1190
FatherKonrad I 'der Grosse' (?) Graf von Wettin, Markgraf von Meissen1,4,2,5,3 b. bt 1096 - 1098, d. 5 Feb 1157
MotherLuitgarde (?) von Ravenstein1,6,2,7,3 b. c 1104, d. 19 Jun 1145
Last Edited25 Oct 2020
     Dedo V "der Feiste" (?) Markgraf der Nieder-Lausitz, Graf von Rochlitz, Graf von Groitzsch married Matilde von Heinsberg Heiress von Sommerschenburg, daughter of Goswin III von Heinsberg Herr von Heinsberg, Heer van Valkenburg and Adelheid von Sommerschenburg, before 1159.1,8,2,9,3

Dedo V "der Feiste" (?) Markgraf der Nieder-Lausitz, Graf von Rochlitz, Graf von Groitzsch died on 16 August 1190.2,7,3
Dedo V "der Feiste" (?) Markgraf der Nieder-Lausitz, Graf von Rochlitz, Graf von Groitzsch was buried after 16 August 1190 at Kloster Zschillen .3
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 43.10

; Per Genealogics:
     "Dedo V, Markgraf von Nieder-Lausitz, was born about 1130, the son of Konrad I 'der Grosse', Markgraf von Meissen, and Liutgart von Ravenstein. From 1144 he exercised sovereign rights in the county of Groitzsch as heir of the counts of Groitzsch, and as a younger son of Margrave Konrad and adoptive son of his aunt Bertha, the heiress of Groitzsch, in the estate division of 1156 he received the lordship of Rochlitz with the governorship of the of the bishopric of Naumburg.
     "With his wife Mathilde von Heinsberg, heiress of Sommerschenburg, daughter of Goswin II, Graf von Heinsberg, and Adelheid von Sommerschenburg, Dedo had six children of whom Konrad and Agnes would have progeny. Agnes married Berthold VI von Andechs, duke of Meran and Dalmatia, and was the mother of St. Hedwig of Meran; Hedwig's sister Gertrud was the mother of St. Elisabeth of Hungary.
     "Dedo participated in five campaigns of Emperor Friedrich I Barbarossa. In 1177, before Pope Alexander III he took the oath on behalf of the emperor as a witness to the Peace of Venice which ended the schism in the papacy. In the Meissen succession dispute of 1190 he and his sons were on the side of Albrecht 'der Stolze' in his campaign to gain Meissen from his younger brother Dietrich who had been made heir to the margraviate by their father Otto.
     "Dedo resided mainly at Rochlitz and from here, like his brother Otto, he pursued a policy of intensive clearing and settlement and the establishment of the new house abbey of Wechselburg as a family burial site.
     "After the death in 1185 of his brother Dietrich, who had called himself Margrave of Landsberg, Dedo inherited his margraviate of Lausitz (Lusatia).
     "Dedo died on 16 August 1190 as a result of a botched operation in which he allegedly sought to have fat cut from his body so that he could participate in the Third Crusade."10



; Per Genealogy.EU: "Dedo V "der Feiste" von Rochlitz, zu Burg Groitzsch 1144, Gf von Groitzsch u.Hr zu Rochlitz 1156, Mkgf der Niederlausitz u.Gf von Eilenburg 1185, +16.8.1190, bur Kl Zschillen; m.by 1159 Matilde von Heinsberg, heiress of Sommerschenburg (+20.1.1189.)7"



; Per Med Lands:
     "DEDO [V] "der Feiste" von Wettin, son of KONRAD [I] "der Grosse" Graf von Wettin, Brehna, Camburg und Eilenburg, Markgraf der Ober- und Niederlausitz & his wife Luitgard von Elchingen (-16 Aug 1190, bur Kloster Zschillen). The Genealogica Wettinensis names (in order) "Heinricum…Othonem Misnensem marchionem, Tidericum Orientalem marchionem, Dedonem comitem de Rochelitz, Heinricum comitem de Witin, Fridericum comitem de Brene" as sons of "Conradus Misnensis et Orientalius marchio [filius Thiemonis]" & his wife[206]. The Chronicon Montis Serreni names (in order) brothers "Othonis Misniensis marchionis, Tiderici Orientalis marchionis, Heinrici comitis de Witin, Dedonis comitis de Rochelez, Friderici comitis de Brene"[207]. Pope Honorius III confirmed the foundation of Kloster Elchingen by "Berta comitissa et Lenugarda filia eius illiusque marito Corrado marchione et Henrico, Octone, Theoderico et Thetone filiis eorum", confirmed by Pope Calixtus II and Pope Innocent III, by charter dated 16 Aug 1225[208]. Graf von Groitzsch 1144. The Genealogica Wettinensis records that "Berta comitissa filia Wiperti, uxor Dedonis comitis" left Groitzsch to ""Dedoni filio Conradi marchionis" in 1144[209]. Herr zu Rochlitz 1156. "Dedo…comes" sold property to Magdeburg convent, with the consent of "uxoris mee filiorum meorumque Theoderici et Philippi", by charter dated 13 Sep 1159[210]. The Genealogica Wettinensis records that "Dedo comes" founded "ecclesiam Cillenensem [Zschillen]" in 1174[211]. Markgraf der Niederlausitz und Graf von Eilenburg 1185. The Genealogica Wettinensis records that "Dedo comes" redeemed "marchiam Orientalem" from Emperor Friedrich I for "quatuor milibus marcis" in 1185 after the death of "Tiderici marchionis"[212]. The Chronicon Montis Serreni records the death "1190 XVII Kal Sep" of "Dedonem Orientalem marchionem", specifying his burial "in ecclesia Cillenensi"[213].
     "m (before 1159) MATHILDE von Heinsberg, daughter of GOSWIN [III] Herr von Heinsberg, Heer van Valkenburg & his wife Adelheid von Sommerschenburg (-20 Jan 1189, bur Zschillen). The Genealogica Wettinensis names "Machtildem filiam Gozwini comitis de Himisberc, sororem Philippi Coloniensis archiepiscopi" as wife of "Dedo comes de Rochelitz"[214]. The Chronicon Montis Serreni records the death "XIII Kal Feb" of "uxor eius [=Dedonem Orientalem marchionem] Machtilde marchionissa"[215]. Heiress of Sommerschenburg."
Med Lands cites:
[206] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 228.
[207] Chronicon Montis Serreni 1152, MGH SS XXIII, p. 150.
[208] Württembergisches Urkundenbuch, Band V, Nachtrag, XXIX, p. 415.
[209] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 229.
[210] Codex Diplomaticus Anhaltinus, Teil I, 451, p. 329.
[211] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 230.
[212] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 230.
[213] Chronicon Montis Serreni 1190, MGH SS XXIII, p. 163.
[214] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 229.
[215] Chronicon Montis Serreni 1190, MGH SS XXIII, p. 163.3

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Wettin 1 page (The House of Wettin): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wettin/wettin1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dedo V: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079714&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#DedoVdied1190. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad I 'der Grosse': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022873&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#KonradIdied1157B
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Liutgart von Ravenstein: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022874&tree=LEO
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  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilde von Heinsberg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079715&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LIMBURG.htm#MathildeHeinsbergdied1189
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dedo V: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079714&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079716&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#KonradIILandsbergdied1210

Konrad I 'der Grosse' (?) Graf von Wettin, Markgraf von Meissen1,2

M, #20007, b. between 1096 and 1098, d. 5 February 1157
FatherThimo II 'der Tapfere' von Wettin Graf von Wettin, Graf von Brehna und von Kostritz b. c 1060, d. c 9 Mar 1099; Leo van de Pas shows Konrad's father to have been Thimo II; Wettin 1 page shows his father to have been Dedo IV (whom is shown as Konrad's brother by Leo van de Pas. Med Lands shows his father as Thimo.1,2,3,4,5
MotherIta von Northeim1,2,3,6,5 d. a 1099
Last Edited7 Dec 2020
     Konrad I 'der Grosse' (?) Graf von Wettin, Markgraf von Meissen was born between 1096 and 1098; Leo van de Pas says b. 1096; Wettin 1 page says b. 1098.1,2,3 He married Luitgarde (?) von Ravenstein, daughter of Adalbert von Ravenstein Graf von Ravenstein and Bertha (?), in 1119.7,1,2,3

Konrad I 'der Grosse' (?) Graf von Wettin, Markgraf von Meissen died on 5 February 1157 at Kloster Petersberg, Petersberg, Saalekreis, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany; buried there.1,2,3
Konrad I 'der Grosse' (?) Graf von Wettin, Markgraf von Meissen was buried after 5 February 1157 at Kloster Petersberg, Petersberg, Saalekreis, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1098
     DEATH     5 Feb 1157 (aged 58–59), Petersberg, Saalekreis, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany
     Family Members
     Parents
          Thimo The Brave 1010–1091
     Spouse
          Luitgard von Ravenstein 1104–1146
     Children
          Dedo III of Lusatia 1130–1190
          Otto von Meissen 1130–1190
          Dietrich von Landsberg 1142–1185
          Heinrich I von Wettin 1143–1181
          Friedrich Graf von Brehna 1145–1182
     BURIAL     Kloster Petersberg, Petersberg, Saalekreis, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany
     Created by: Lutetia
     Added: 2 Mar 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 143230186.8
      ; Per Genealogy.EU: "Konrad I "der Grosse", Gf von Wettin, Mgve of Meissen (1130-56), Mkgf der Ober- u.Niederlausitz (1136-56), *1098, +Kl.Petersberg 5.2.1157, bur there; m.by 1119 Luitgard von Elchingen."2

; Per Genealogics: "Konrad 'the Great', Count of Brehna and Camburg, Markgraf of Meissen and Lausitz, Count of the Groitsch-Rochlitz, divided his lands in 1156 among his five sons and became a monk in the monastery of Petersburg near Halle where he died."1

; Per Genealogics:
     "Konrad was born about 1096, the son of Thimo II 'der Tapfere', Graf von Wettin, Graf von Brehna und von Kostritz, and Ita von Northeim, daughter of Otto I von Northeim, Graf von Northeim, Herzog in Bayern, and Richeza von Schwaben. Before 1119 he married Liutgart von Ravenstein, daughter of Graf Adalbert von Ravenstein. They had three sons and two daughters who would have progeny.
     "Konrad is often considered the founder of the greatness of the Wettin dynasty. In 1123 he became count of Eilenburg. That same year, Lothar von Supplinburg, duke of Saxony, appointed him margrave of Meissen in opposition to Wiprecht von Groitzsch, the appointee of Emperor Heinrich V. Lothar also named Albrecht 'the Bear' margrave of Lusatia (Lausitz), while Heinrich named Wiprecht to that march also. Wiprecht was unable to hold his own against his two opponents and in 1124 Konrad was securely in power in Meissen. In 1136 Lothar, then emperor, appointed him to Lusatia as well. Thereafter, Upper Lusatia remained a part of Meissen and the march of Lusatia was reduced to Lower Lusatia (Nieder-Lausitz) alone.
     "In 1143 Konrad became count of Groitzsch and Rochlitz and Vogt (guardian) of Chemnitz and Naumburg. In 1147, while Konrad III of Germany was away on the Second Crusade, Konrad of Meissen joined Heinrich 'the Lion', Adalbert of Salzwedel, Albrecht 'the Bear', and the archbishop of Magdeburg and Bremen to organise a Crusade against the Obotrites and the Wagri. In August, Konrad and Albrecht, with the bishops of Magdeburg, Havelburg and Brandenburg, massed their forces at Magdeburg. The Obotrite prince Niklot and his fortresses of Dubin and Dimin were besieged. Both he and Pribislav, another Obotrite prince, were forced to accept Christianity and make peace.
     "In the following years, Konrad founded the abbey of St. Petrus auf dem Lauterberg (Petersberg) near Halle, to which he retired on 30 November 1156. He died on 5 February 1157 and was buried there next to his wife Liutgart who had died in 1145. His eldest surviving son Otto II succeeded him in Meissen, while he second surviving son Dedo succeeded him in Lower Lusatia (Nieder-Lausitz)."9

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Conrad I (c.?1097 – 5 February 1157), called the Great (German: Konrad der Große), a member of the House of Wettin, was Margrave of Meissen from 1123 and Margrave of Lusatia from 1136 until his retirement in 1156. Initially a Saxon count, he became the ruler over large Imperial estates in the Eastern March and progenitor of the Saxon electors and kings.
Life
     "Conrad was the son of the Saxon count Thimo of Wettin and his wife Ida, a daughter of Count Otto of Nordheim. Both his father and maternal grandfather had been involved in the Saxon Rebellion against the Salian king Henry IV in 1073–75. Thimo was the first to call himself a Count of Wettin after the ancestral seat on the Saale river, while his elder brother Dedi ruled in the Saxon March of Lusatia (Eastern March). His son Henry the Elder also became the first Wettin margrave in Meissen in 1089.
     "Upon the early death of his father, Conrad succeeded him as Count of Wettin and Brehna. When his cousin Henry the Elder died in 1103, he hoped to be enfeoffed with the Lusatian and Meissen marches by Emperor Henry IV. However, his expectations proved to be false, when Henry's widow Gertrude of Brunswick gave birth to a posthumous son, Henry II. Conrad, with bitterness, spread rumours that Gertrude in fact had given birth to a girl and had replaced her by a peasant's son. When Henry II attained his majority in 1121, he campaigned against his uncle and had him arrested. Conrad faced an end in prison, but avoided this fate when Henry II died in 1123 at the age of twenty, presumably poisoned.
     "Now head of the Wettin dynasty, Conrad saw his aspirations fulfilled. He succeeded Henry II as Count of Eilenburg and also claimed Lusatia and Meissen. However, that same year, Emperor Henry V enfeoffed Count Wiprecht of Groitzsch with both marches. Furious Conrad forged an alliance with the Saxon duke Lothair of Supplinburg and with the support of several local nobles expelled Wiprecht. Duke Lothair ignored the Imperial bestowal and appointed Conrad Margrave of Meissen; he also named the Ascanian count Albert the Bear Margrave of Lusatia. As Wiprecht was unable to hold his own against his two opponents, Conrad was securely in power in Meissen by Wiprecht's death in May 1124.
     "In 1136, upon the death Wiprecht's son Henry of Groitzsch, Lothair, then emperor (as Lothair II), appointed Conrad to Lusatia as well. He also ruled the Milceni lands around Bautzen (later known as Upper Lusatia), which had been re-acquired from Poland and remained a part of Meissen, while the March of Lusatia was reduced to Lower Lusatia alone. Obtaining the status of an Imperial Prince, Margrave Conrad had the Polabian territories colonised by Flemish settlers in the course of the Ostsiedlung migration and laid the foundations for the development of the Wettin dominions in Upper Saxony.
     "In 1143, Conrad also became Count of Groitzsch and Rochlitz and Vogt (bailiff) in Chemnitz and Naumburg. He eased the tensions with the neighbouring Kingdom of Poland by marrying his son Theodoric to Dobroniega Ludgarda, a daughter of the Polish duke Boles?aw III Wrymouth. He also married his eldest son Otto II to Hedwig of Brandenburg, a daughter of Margrave Albert the Bear.
     "In 1147, while the Hohenstaufen king Conrad III of Germany was on the Second Crusade, Conrad joined the Welf duke Henry the Lion, as well as Albert the Bear and the Archbishops of Magdeburg and Bremen to organise a Crusade against the Slavic Obodrites and Wagri tribes. In August, Conrad and Albert, with the bishops of Magdeburg, Havelburg, and Brandenburg, massed their forces at Magdeburg. The Obodrite prince Niklot and his fortresses of Dubin and Dimin were besieged. Both he and Pribislav, another Obodrite prince, were forced to accept Christianity and make peace.
     "In his later years, Conrad founded the Lauterberg monastery (later Petersberg Abbey) north of Halle, to which he retired after he had officially renounced all secular rights in favour of his son Otto II on 30 November 1156. There he died the following year and was buried next to his wife, Luitgard (Lucarda; d. 1146), daughter of the Swabian count Adalbert of Elchingen-Ravenstein and his wife Bertha of Boll, possibly a daughter of Duke Frederick of Swabia and the Salian princess Agnes of Waiblingen.
Marriage and issue
     "His wife Luitgard of Elchingen-Ravenstein (c.?1104–1146), whom he had married before 1119, had blessed him with many children. His eldest surviving son, Otto II, succeeded him in Meissen in 1156, while his second surviving son, Theodoric, succeeded in Lusatia. His son Count Henry of Wettin married Sophia of Sommerschenburg, Countess Palatine of Saxony, daughter of Count Fredrick II of Sommerschenburg and Countess Liutgard of Stade, queen dowager of Denmark.
     "His issue were:
** Henry, died young
** Otto II, Margrave of Meissen (c.?1125–1190)
** Theodoric I, Margrave of Lusatia (Dietrich; c.?1130–1185)
** Dedi III, Margrave of Lusatia (Dedo V of Wettin; c.?1142–1190)
** Henry I, Count of Wettin (d. 1181), married (1) Sophia of Sommerschenburg (d. 1189 or 1190), daughter of Count Fredrick II of Sommerschenburg, Count Palatine of Saxony and his wife Countess Liutgard of Stade (later queen of Denmark).
** Frederick I of Brehna (c.?1126–1182)
** Gertrud (d. c.?1191), married Count Gunther II of Schwarzburg
** Oda (d. c.?1190), Abbess of Gerbstedt
** Adela of Meissen (d. 1181), married King Sweyn III of Denmark (d. 1157), secondly married to Count Adalbert of Ballenstedt (d. 1171)
** Bertha, Abbess of Gerbstedt
** Sophia (d. 1190), married Count Gebhard I of Burghausen
** Agnes II, Princess-Abbess of Quedlinburg (d. 1203)

References
** Thompson, James Westfall. Feudal Germany, Volume II. New York: Frederick Ungar Publishing Co., 1928."10

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 43.
2. Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1956.9


; Per Med Lands:
     "KONRAD [I] von Wettin "der Grosse", son of THIMO Graf von Brehna & his wife Ida von Northeim ([1097/98]-Kloster Petersberg 5 Feb 1157, bur Kloster Petersberg). The Annales Magdeburgenses name "Dedum comitem et Cuonradum marchionem" as the two sons of "Thiemoni comiti de Witin" and his wife Ida von Northeim[331]. The Genealogica Wettinensis names "Dedonem comitem et Conradum et filiam nomine Machthildem" as the children of "Thiemo comes" & his wife[332]. Graf von Wettin. Graf von Brehna und Camburg before 1116. Graf von Eilenburg 1123. Lothar von Süpplingenburg Duke of Saxony appointed Konrad as KONRAD Markgraf von Meissen in 1123, challenging the rights of Emperor Heinrich V, who had appointed Wiprecht von Groitsch as Markgraf[333]. “Conradus...marchio...contectalis nostra Lutgardis” donated “Torgaw super ripam fluminis Albæ”, and property donated by “felicis memorie pater meus Timo comes”, to Reinhardsbrunn by charter dated 1119 (presumably misdated, assuming that Konrad’s appointment as Markgraf is correctly dated above)[334]. Markgraf der Ober- und Niederlausitz mit Gau Nisani in 1136. "Conradus…marchio…coniugis nostre…et filiorum nostrorum Ottonis, Heinrici, Theoderici" donated property to Magdeburg Unser Liebe Frau by charter dated [end-May/early Jun] 1142[335]. Graf von Groitzsch und Rochlitz, Vogt von Kloster Chemnitz 1143. Vogt of Naumburg cathedral. Founder of St Peter auf dem Lauterberg (Petersberg). He abdicated and retired to Kloster Petersberg 30 Nov 1156. The Annales Erphesfurdenses record the death in 1157 of "Counradus marchio"[336]. The Chronicon Montis Serreni records his death "1157 Non Feb" aged 59, specifying his burial "in medio ecclesie, in dextera ipsius uxor eius [et] soror eius Machtildis"[337].
     "m ([before 1119]) LUITGARD, daughter of ADALBERT Graf [von Elchingen] & his wife Berta [von Staufen] (-Kloster Gerbstedt 19 Jun 1145, bur Kloster Gerbstedt). The Chronicon Montis Serreni names "Lucardis filia Alberti nobilissimi de Suevia" as wife of "Conradus comes de Witin"[338]. The Genealogica Wettinensis names "Lucardem filiam cuiusdam nobilissimi de Suevia nomine Alberti" as wife of "Conradus Misnensis et Orientalius marchio [filius Thiemonis]"[339]. “Conradus...marchio...contectalis nostra Lutgardis” donated “Torgaw super ripam fluminis Albæ”, and property donated by “felicis memorie pater meus Timo comes”, to Reinhardsbrunn by charter dated 1119 (presumably misdated, assuming that Konrad’s appointment as Markgraf is correctly dated above)[340]. The Annales Magdaburgenses record the death in 1145 of "Luthgart marchionissa"[341]. Pope Honorius III confirmed the foundation of Kloster Elchingen by "Berta comitissa et Lenugarda filia eius illiusque marito Corrado marchione et Henrico, Octone, Theoderico et Thetone filiis eorum", confirmed by Pope Calixtus II and Pope Innocent III, by charter dated 16 Aug 1225[342]. "
Med Lands cites:
[331] Annales Magdeburgenses 1110 5, MGH SS XVI, p. 181.
[332] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 227.
[333] Fuhrmann, H., trans. Reuter, T. (1995) Germany in the high middle ages c.1050-1200 (Cambridge University Press), p. 122, and Jordan (1986), p. 15.
[334] Schannat (1723), Tome I, V, Chartarium Reinhartsbornense, XII, p. 114.
[335] Hertel, G. (ed.) (1878) Urkundenbuch des Klosters unser lieben Frauen zu Magdeburg, Geschichtsquellen der Provinz Sachsen, Band X (Halle) ("Magdeburg Unser Liebe Frau"), 10, p. 10.
[336] Annales Sancti Petri Erphesfurdenses 1157, MGH SS XVI, p. 21.
[337] Chronicon Montis Serreni 1157, MGH SS XXIII, p. 150.
[338] Chronicon Montis Serreni 1125, MGH SS XXIII, p. 139.
[339] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 228.
[340] Schannat (1723), Tome I, V, Chartarium Reinhartsbornense, XII, p. 114.
[341] Annales Magdaburgenses 8, 1145, MGH SS XVI, p. 187.
[342] Württembergisches Urkundenbuch, Band V, Nachtrag, XXIX, p. 415.3


; Per Med Lands:
     "LUITGARD (-Kloster Gerbstedt 19 Jun 1145, bur Kloster Gerbstedt). The Chronicon Montis Serreni names "Lucardis filia Alberti nobilissimi de Suevia" as wife of "Conradus comes de Witin"[271]. The Genealogica Wettinensis names "Lucardem filiam cuiusdam nobilissimi de Suevia nomine Alberti" as wife of "Conradus Misnensis et Orientalius marchio [filius Thiemonis]"[272]. “Conradus...marchio...contectalis nostra Lutgardis” donated “Torgaw super ripam fluminis Albæ”, and property donated by “felicis memorie pater meus Timo comes”, to Reinhardsbrunn by charter dated 1119 (presumably misdated, assuming that Konrad’s appointment as Markgraf is correctly dated above)[273]. The Annales Magdaburgenses record the death in 1145 of "Luthgart marchionissa"[274]. Pope Honorius III confirmed the foundation of Kloster Elchingen by "Berta comitissa et Lenugarda filia eius illiusque marito Corrado marchione et Henrico, Octone, Theoderico et Thetone filiis eorum", confirmed by Pope Calixtus II and Pope Innocent III, by charter dated 16 Aug 1225[275].
     "m KONRAD [I] von Wettin Markgraf von Meissen, son of THIMO Graf von Brehna & his wife Ida von Northeim ([1097/98]-Kloster Petersberg 5 Feb 1157, bur Kloster Petersberg)."
Med Lands cites:
[271] Chronicon Montis Serreni 1125, MGH SS XXIII, p. 139.
[272] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 228.
[273] Schannat (1723), Tome I, V, Chartarium Reinhartsbornense, XII, p. 114.
[274] Annales Magdaburgenses 8, 1145, MGH SS XVI, p. 187.
[275] Württembergisches Urkundenbuch, Band V, Nachtrag, XXIX, p. 415.11
He was Markgraf von Meissen between 1123 and 1156.2,3,10 He was Markgraf der Ober- u.Niederlausitz (Lusatia) between 1136 and 1156.2,3,10

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad I 'der Grosse': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022873&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Wettin 1 page - The House of Wettin: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wettin/wettin1.html
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#KonradIdied1157B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thimo II 'der Tapfere': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022876&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#Thimodied10991101
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ita von Northeim: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022877&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Liutgart von Ravenstein: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022874&tree=LEO
  8. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 21 December 2019), memorial page for Konrad “der Große” von Wettin (1098–5 Feb 1157), Find A Grave Memorial no. 143230186, citing Kloster Petersberg, Petersberg, Saalekreis, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany ; Maintained by Lutetia (contributor 46580078), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/143230186/konrad-von_wettin. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad I 'der Grosse': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022873&tree=LEO
  10. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad,_Margrave_of_Meissen. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIA.htm#LuitgardElchingenMKonradMeissen
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Wettin 1 page (The House of Wettin): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wettin/wettin1.html
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dedo V: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079714&tree=LEO
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#DedoVdied1190
  15. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Wettin 1 page (The House of Wettin): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wettin/wettin1.html
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid von Meissen: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030598&tree=LEO
  17. [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (New York, NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 16: Denmark - House of Estrid. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gertrud von Meissen: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141397&tree=LEO
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto 'der Reiche': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022865&tree=LEO
  20. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#OttoMeissendied1190
  21. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I von Wettin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079711&tree=LEO

Luitgarde (?) von Ravenstein1

F, #20008, b. circa 1104, d. 19 June 1145
FatherAdalbert von Ravenstein Graf von Ravenstein2,3
MotherBertha (?)4,3
Last Edited31 Oct 2020
     Luitgarde (?) von Ravenstein was born circa 1104.3 She married Konrad I 'der Grosse' (?) Graf von Wettin, Markgraf von Meissen, son of Thimo II 'der Tapfere' von Wettin Graf von Wettin, Graf von Brehna und von Kostritz and Ita von Northeim, in 1119.1,5,6,7

Luitgarde (?) von Ravenstein died on 19 June 1145 at Kloster Gerbstedt.1,3
Luitgarde (?) von Ravenstein was buried after 19 June 1145 at Kloster Petersberg, Petersberg, Saalekreis, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1104
     DEATH     19 Jun 1146 (aged 41–42)
     Family Members
     Spouse
          Konrad von Wettin 1098–1157
     Children
          Dedo III of Lusatia 1130–1190
          Otto von Meissen 1130–1190
          Dietrich von Landsberg 1142–1185
          Heinrich I von Wettin 1143–1181
          Friedrich Graf von Brehna 1145–1182
     BURIAL     Kloster Petersberg, Petersberg, Saalekreis, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany
     Created by: Lutetia
     Added: 2 Mar 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 143230451.8
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "KONRAD [I] von Wettin "der Grosse", son of THIMO Graf von Brehna & his wife Ida von Northeim ([1097/98]-Kloster Petersberg 5 Feb 1157, bur Kloster Petersberg). The Annales Magdeburgenses name "Dedum comitem et Cuonradum marchionem" as the two sons of "Thiemoni comiti de Witin" and his wife Ida von Northeim[331]. The Genealogica Wettinensis names "Dedonem comitem et Conradum et filiam nomine Machthildem" as the children of "Thiemo comes" & his wife[332]. Graf von Wettin. Graf von Brehna und Camburg before 1116. Graf von Eilenburg 1123. Lothar von Süpplingenburg Duke of Saxony appointed Konrad as KONRAD Markgraf von Meissen in 1123, challenging the rights of Emperor Heinrich V, who had appointed Wiprecht von Groitsch as Markgraf[333]. “Conradus...marchio...contectalis nostra Lutgardis” donated “Torgaw super ripam fluminis Albæ”, and property donated by “felicis memorie pater meus Timo comes”, to Reinhardsbrunn by charter dated 1119 (presumably misdated, assuming that Konrad’s appointment as Markgraf is correctly dated above)[334]. Markgraf der Ober- und Niederlausitz mit Gau Nisani in 1136. "Conradus…marchio…coniugis nostre…et filiorum nostrorum Ottonis, Heinrici, Theoderici" donated property to Magdeburg Unser Liebe Frau by charter dated [end-May/early Jun] 1142[335]. Graf von Groitzsch und Rochlitz, Vogt von Kloster Chemnitz 1143. Vogt of Naumburg cathedral. Founder of St Peter auf dem Lauterberg (Petersberg). He abdicated and retired to Kloster Petersberg 30 Nov 1156. The Annales Erphesfurdenses record the death in 1157 of "Counradus marchio"[336]. The Chronicon Montis Serreni records his death "1157 Non Feb" aged 59, specifying his burial "in medio ecclesie, in dextera ipsius uxor eius [et] soror eius Machtildis"[337].
     "m ([before 1119]) LUITGARD, daughter of ADALBERT Graf [von Elchingen] & his wife Berta [von Staufen] (-Kloster Gerbstedt 19 Jun 1145, bur Kloster Gerbstedt). The Chronicon Montis Serreni names "Lucardis filia Alberti nobilissimi de Suevia" as wife of "Conradus comes de Witin"[338]. The Genealogica Wettinensis names "Lucardem filiam cuiusdam nobilissimi de Suevia nomine Alberti" as wife of "Conradus Misnensis et Orientalius marchio [filius Thiemonis]"[339]. “Conradus...marchio...contectalis nostra Lutgardis” donated “Torgaw super ripam fluminis Albæ”, and property donated by “felicis memorie pater meus Timo comes”, to Reinhardsbrunn by charter dated 1119 (presumably misdated, assuming that Konrad’s appointment as Markgraf is correctly dated above)[340]. The Annales Magdaburgenses record the death in 1145 of "Luthgart marchionissa"[341]. Pope Honorius III confirmed the foundation of Kloster Elchingen by "Berta comitissa et Lenugarda filia eius illiusque marito Corrado marchione et Henrico, Octone, Theoderico et Thetone filiis eorum", confirmed by Pope Calixtus II and Pope Innocent III, by charter dated 16 Aug 1225[342]. "
Med Lands cites:
[331] Annales Magdeburgenses 1110 5, MGH SS XVI, p. 181.
[332] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 227.
[333] Fuhrmann, H., trans. Reuter, T. (1995) Germany in the high middle ages c.1050-1200 (Cambridge University Press), p. 122, and Jordan (1986), p. 15.
[334] Schannat (1723), Tome I, V, Chartarium Reinhartsbornense, XII, p. 114.
[335] Hertel, G. (ed.) (1878) Urkundenbuch des Klosters unser lieben Frauen zu Magdeburg, Geschichtsquellen der Provinz Sachsen, Band X (Halle) ("Magdeburg Unser Liebe Frau"), 10, p. 10.
[336] Annales Sancti Petri Erphesfurdenses 1157, MGH SS XVI, p. 21.
[337] Chronicon Montis Serreni 1157, MGH SS XXIII, p. 150.
[338] Chronicon Montis Serreni 1125, MGH SS XXIII, p. 139.
[339] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 228.
[340] Schannat (1723), Tome I, V, Chartarium Reinhartsbornense, XII, p. 114.
[341] Annales Magdaburgenses 8, 1145, MGH SS XVI, p. 187.
[342] Württembergisches Urkundenbuch, Band V, Nachtrag, XXIX, p. 415.7


Reference: Genealogics cites: Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1956.9 Luitgarde (?) von Ravenstein was also known as Luitgarde (?) von Elchingen-Ravenstein.10 Luitgarde (?) von Ravenstein was also known as Luitgard (?) von Elchingen.6

; Per Med Lands:
     "LUITGARD (-Kloster Gerbstedt 19 Jun 1145, bur Kloster Gerbstedt). The Chronicon Montis Serreni names "Lucardis filia Alberti nobilissimi de Suevia" as wife of "Conradus comes de Witin"[271]. The Genealogica Wettinensis names "Lucardem filiam cuiusdam nobilissimi de Suevia nomine Alberti" as wife of "Conradus Misnensis et Orientalius marchio [filius Thiemonis]"[272]. “Conradus...marchio...contectalis nostra Lutgardis” donated “Torgaw super ripam fluminis Albæ”, and property donated by “felicis memorie pater meus Timo comes”, to Reinhardsbrunn by charter dated 1119 (presumably misdated, assuming that Konrad’s appointment as Markgraf is correctly dated above)[273]. The Annales Magdaburgenses record the death in 1145 of "Luthgart marchionissa"[274]. Pope Honorius III confirmed the foundation of Kloster Elchingen by "Berta comitissa et Lenugarda filia eius illiusque marito Corrado marchione et Henrico, Octone, Theoderico et Thetone filiis eorum", confirmed by Pope Calixtus II and Pope Innocent III, by charter dated 16 Aug 1225[275].
     "m KONRAD [I] von Wettin Markgraf von Meissen, son of THIMO Graf von Brehna & his wife Ida von Northeim ([1097/98]-Kloster Petersberg 5 Feb 1157, bur Kloster Petersberg)."
Med Lands cites:
[271] Chronicon Montis Serreni 1125, MGH SS XXIII, p. 139.
[272] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 228.
[273] Schannat (1723), Tome I, V, Chartarium Reinhartsbornense, XII, p. 114.
[274] Annales Magdaburgenses 8, 1145, MGH SS XVI, p. 187.
[275] Württembergisches Urkundenbuch, Band V, Nachtrag, XXIX, p. 415.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Liutgart von Ravenstein: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022874&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Graf Adalbert von Ravenstein: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022875&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIA.htm#LuitgardElchingenMKonradMeissen. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bertha: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00314958&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad I 'der Grosse': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022873&tree=LEO
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Wettin 1 page - The House of Wettin: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wettin/wettin1.html
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#KonradIdied1157B
  8. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 21 December 2019), memorial page for Luitgard von Ravenstein (1104–19 Jun 1146), Find A Grave Memorial no. 143230451, citing Kloster Petersberg, Petersberg, Saalekreis, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany ; Maintained by Lutetia (contributor 46580078), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/143230451/luitgard-von_ravenstein. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Liutgart von Ravenstein: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022874&tree=LEO
  10. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad,_Margrave_of_Meissen. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Wettin 1 page (The House of Wettin): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wettin/wettin1.html
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dedo V: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079714&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#DedoVdied1190
  14. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Wettin 1 page (The House of Wettin): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wettin/wettin1.html
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid von Meissen: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030598&tree=LEO
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gertrud von Meissen: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141397&tree=LEO
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto 'der Reiche': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022865&tree=LEO
  18. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#OttoMeissendied1190
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I von Wettin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079711&tree=LEO

Thimo II 'der Tapfere' von Wettin Graf von Wettin, Graf von Brehna und von Kostritz1,2,3

M, #20009, b. circa 1060, d. circa 9 March 1099
FatherThimo I (?) Graf von Wettin und von Kostritz4,1
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited7 Dec 2020
     Thimo II 'der Tapfere' von Wettin Graf von Wettin, Graf von Brehna und von Kostritz was born circa 1060.1 He married Ita von Northeim, daughter of Otto I von Northeim Graf von Northeim, Duke in Bavaria and Richenza (?) von Schwaben, in 1086.5,6,7,1,2

Thimo II 'der Tapfere' von Wettin Graf von Wettin, Graf von Brehna und von Kostritz died circa 9 March 1099; Leo van de Pas says d. ca 9 Mar 1099; Wettin 1 page says d. 1099/1101.8,5
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser, Reference: 1956 142.
2. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 42.1


; Per Genealogics:
     “Thimo was the son of Thimo I, Graf von Wettin und von Köstritz. About 1086 he married Ita von Northeim, daughter of Otto I von Northeim, Graf von Northeim, Herzog in Bayern, and Richenza von Schwaben. They had at least three children, of whom Konrad I and Dedo IV would have progeny. He built the castle of Wettin which gave its name to his dynasty.
     “In the early Saxon revolt of the nobility Thimo belonged to the group of opponents of the king. He held the office of governor of the bishopric of Naumburg. He was also governor of the Wettin house monastery of Gerbstedt. The Wettins came into conflict with the bishops of Münster, supporters of the royal house, over rights to the monastery and the blockage of two Wettins in elections for archbishop; they were his brother Friedrich, who had even been bishop of Münster, and his nephew Günther, who was then bishop of Naumburg. In 1088 he was with other Wettins at the court at Quedlinburg where the mark of Meissen was withdrawn from Ekbert II, Graf von Braunschweig, Markgraf von Meissen. At this time Thimo formed closer ties to Emperor Heinrich IV.
     “The exact year of Thimo's death is unclear; since his son Konrad was born in approximately 1096, Thimo cannot have died long before this year. Alternatively, some researchers assume that Thimo was in fact Konrad's grandfather, and that Konrad's father was an unknown son of Thimo's with the same name, making a death year of 1090/91 possible, as given in a chronicle. However, since Thimo is not otherwise attested, this is considered unlikely. _Europäische Stammtafeln_ gives his date of death as about 9 March 1099, but other sources indicate a year as late as 1118. According to one source, in 1101 Thimo took part at the ceremonial launch of the Hirsau observance in the monastery of Lippoldsberg together with his son Dedo IV and his nephew Heinrich I. This points to a year of death of 1102 or later.
     “He was buried at Niemegk Monastery in Fläming, Brandenburg, which he had founded.”.1

; This is the same person as ”Thimo the Brave, Count of Wettin” at Wikipedia and as ”Thimo von Wettin” at Wikipedia (DE).9,3 EDV-28.

; Per Weis: “Thiemo, Count of Brehna, d. aft. 1099/1101; m. Ida of Northeim, dau. of Otto I, Count of Northeim, Duke of Bavaria. (ES I.1/150, VIII/132).”.10

; Per Med Lands:
     "THIMO, son of DIETRICH Graf in Eilenburg, Graf im Hassegau und Siusli [Wettin] & his wife Mathilde von Meissen (-after [1099/1101]). The Genealogica Wettinensis names "filios: Fridericum, Dedonem, Thiemonem, Geronem, Conradum, Riddagum, et filiam Hiddam" as children of "comes Tidericus"[288]. The Chronicon Montis Serreni names "Thiemonem" as son of "Tidericus comes" & his wife[289]. Graf von Brehna. Vogt of Stift Gerbstedt. Co-founder of Naumburg cathedral.
     "m ([1086]) IDA von Northeim, daughter of OTTO [I] Graf von Northeim Duke of Bavaria & his wife Richenza of Swabia [Ezzonen]. The Annales Stadenses refers to the four daughters of Otto, specifying that "una mater fuit Conradi de Witin marchionis" without naming her[290]. The Annales Magdeburgenses name "secunda [filia Ottonis ducis de Northeim] Ida" as wife of "Thiemoni comiti de Witin"[291]. The Genealogica Wettinensis names "Idam filiam Othonis ducis de Northeim" as wife of "Thiemo comes"[292]."
Med Lands cites:
[288] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 227.
[289] Chronicon Montis Serreni 1171, MGH SS XXIII, p. 155.
[290] Annales Stadenses 1105, MGH SS XVI, p. 318.
[291] Annales Magdeburgenses 1110 5, MGH SS XVI, p. 181.
[292] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 227.2


; Per Genealogy.EU (Wettin 1): “C3. Thimo, Gf von Brehna, +1099-1101; m.Ida, dau.of Otto II von Northeim, Duke of Bavaria”.5

; Per Med Lands:
     "IDA von Northeim . The Annales Stadenses refers to the four daughters of Otto, specifying that "una mater fuit Conradi de Witin marchionis" without naming her[1539]. The Annales Magdeburgenses name "secunda [filia Ottonis ducis de Northeim] Ida" as wife of "Thiemoni comiti de Witin"[1540].
     "m ([1086]) THIMO Graf von Brehna, son of DIETRICH Graf in Eilenburg, Graf im Hassegau und Siusli [Wettin] & his wife Mathilde von Meissen (-9 Mar [1091] or after [1099/1101])."
Med Lands cites:
[1539] Annales Stadenses 1105, MGH SS XVI, p. 318.
[1540] Annales Magdeburgenses 1110 5, MGH SS XVI, p. 181.7

Family

Ita von Northeim d. a 1099
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thimo II 'der Tapfere': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022876&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#Thimodied10991101. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S4759] Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Thimo von Wettin: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thimo_von_Wettin. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (DE).
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thimo I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022878&tree=LEO
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Wettin 1 page - The House of Wettin: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wettin/wettin1.html
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  9. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thimo_the_Brave,_Count_of_Wettin. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  10. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 252D-25, p. 242.. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
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  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ita von Northeim: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022877&tree=LEO
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilde von Wettin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00330316&tree=LEO
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad I 'der Grosse': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022873&tree=LEO
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Ita von Northeim1,2,3

F, #20010, d. after 1099
FatherOtto I von Northeim Graf von Northeim, Duke in Bavaria4,5,1,3 b. c 1025, d. 11 Jan 1083
MotherRichenza (?) von Schwaben6,7,1,3 d. b 11 Jan 1083
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited7 Dec 2020
     Ita von Northeim married Thimo II 'der Tapfere' von Wettin Graf von Wettin, Graf von Brehna und von Kostritz, son of Thimo I (?) Graf von Wettin und von Kostritz, in 1086.2,1,3,8,9

Ita von Northeim died after 1099.1
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "THIMO, son of DIETRICH Graf in Eilenburg, Graf im Hassegau und Siusli [Wettin] & his wife Mathilde von Meissen (-after [1099/1101]). The Genealogica Wettinensis names "filios: Fridericum, Dedonem, Thiemonem, Geronem, Conradum, Riddagum, et filiam Hiddam" as children of "comes Tidericus"[288]. The Chronicon Montis Serreni names "Thiemonem" as son of "Tidericus comes" & his wife[289]. Graf von Brehna. Vogt of Stift Gerbstedt. Co-founder of Naumburg cathedral.
     "m ([1086]) IDA von Northeim, daughter of OTTO [I] Graf von Northeim Duke of Bavaria & his wife Richenza of Swabia [Ezzonen]. The Annales Stadenses refers to the four daughters of Otto, specifying that "una mater fuit Conradi de Witin marchionis" without naming her[290]. The Annales Magdeburgenses name "secunda [filia Ottonis ducis de Northeim] Ida" as wife of "Thiemoni comiti de Witin"[291]. The Genealogica Wettinensis names "Idam filiam Othonis ducis de Northeim" as wife of "Thiemo comes"[292]."
Med Lands cites:
[288] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 227.
[289] Chronicon Montis Serreni 1171, MGH SS XXIII, p. 155.
[290] Annales Stadenses 1105, MGH SS XVI, p. 318.
[291] Annales Magdeburgenses 1110 5, MGH SS XVI, p. 181.
[292] Genealogica Wettinensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 227.9


; Per Genealogy.EU (Wettin 1): “C3. Thimo, Gf von Brehna, +1099-1101; m.Ida, dau.of Otto II von Northeim, Duke of Bavaria”.2

; Per Weis: “Thiemo, Count of Brehna, d. aft. 1099/1101; m. Ida of Northeim, dau. of Otto I, Count of Northeim, Duke of Bavaria. (ES I.1/150, VIII/132).”.10 EDV-28. Ita von Northeim was also known as Ida von Northeim.10

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 42.
2. Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1956 142.1


; Per Med Lands:
     "IDA von Northeim . The Annales Stadenses refers to the four daughters of Otto, specifying that "una mater fuit Conradi de Witin marchionis" without naming her[1539]. The Annales Magdeburgenses name "secunda [filia Ottonis ducis de Northeim] Ida" as wife of "Thiemoni comiti de Witin"[1540].
     "m ([1086]) THIMO Graf von Brehna, son of DIETRICH Graf in Eilenburg, Graf im Hassegau und Siusli [Wettin] & his wife Mathilde von Meissen (-9 Mar [1091] or after [1099/1101])."
Med Lands cites:
[1539] Annales Stadenses 1105, MGH SS XVI, p. 318.
[1540] Annales Magdeburgenses 1110 5, MGH SS XVI, p. 181.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ita von Northeim: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022877&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Wettin 1 page - The House of Wettin: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wettin/wettin1.html
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXON%20NOBILITY.htm#IdaNortheimMThimoWettin. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060574&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXON%20NOBILITY.htm#Ottodied1083
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060574&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richenza: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060575&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thimo II 'der Tapfere': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022876&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#Thimodied10991101
  10. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 252D-25, p. 242.. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dedo IV von Wettin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00330308&tree=LEO
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilde von Wettin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00330316&tree=LEO
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad I 'der Grosse': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00022873&tree=LEO
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEISSEN.htm#KonradIdied1157B