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     William de Say died before 1 January 1199.¹
      ; William, d by 1 Jan 1198/9?)¹

      ; Ingram, in Ireland with his bro Geoffrey.¹

     GAV-23 EDV-22.

     John de Say 4th Lord Say was born circa 1373.¹
John de Say 4th Lord Say died on 27 July 1382; dsp.¹
      ; JOHN de SAY, 4th LORD (Baron) SAY; b c 1373; dsp 27 July 1382.¹

     Elizabeth de Say Baroness Say, Baroness Leyburn was born between 24 February 1365 and 1366.¹ She married Sir John de Falvesl Lord Falvesle. Lord Say between 27 July 1382 and 26 September 1382
; her 1st husband, his 2nd? wife.^1,3 Elizabeth de Say Baroness Say, Baroness Leyburn married Sir William Heron Knt., Lord Heron, Lord Say of Eshott and East Duddoe, Northumberland before 13 November 1393
; her 2nd husband.^1,3,2
Elizabeth de Say Baroness Say, Baroness Leyburn died on 8 July 1399; dsp.^1,2
      ; ELIZABETH, BARONESS SAY and BARONESS LEYBURN in her own right according to later doctrine; b 24 Feb 1365/6; m 1st between 27 July and 26 Sept 1382, as his 2nd w(?), Sir John de Falvesl (of Fawsley, Northants) (called to Parl 20 Aug 1383 as LORD (Baron) FALVESLE or LORD (Baron) SAY; dsp 1392 or 1393); m 2nd by 13 Nov 1393 Sir William Heron (called to Parl 13 Nov 1393 as LORD (Baron) HERON or LORD (Baron) SAY; Steward Household to HENRY IV; dsp 30 Oct 1404) and dsp 8 July 1399, when according to later doctrine the Baronies of Say and Leyburn fell into abeyance between the representatives of the 3rd Lord Say's sisters.¹

     Sir John de Falvesl Lord Falvesle. Lord Say married Elizabeth de Say Baroness Say, Baroness Leyburn, daughter of Sir William (V) de Say Knt., 3rd Lord Say and Beatrice de Brewes, between 27 July 1382 and 26 September 1382
; her 1st husband, his 2nd? wife.^1,2
Sir John de Falvesl Lord Falvesle. Lord Say died between 1392 and 1393; dsp.^1,2
      ; Sir John de Falvesl (of Fawsley, Northants) (called to Parl 20 Aug 1383 as LORD (Baron) FALVESLE or LORD (Baron) SAY; dsp 1392 or 1393.)¹ Sir John de Falvesl Lord Falvesle. Lord Say was also known as Sir John Falvesley Lord of Falvesley, Northants.² He was LORD (Baron) FALVESLE on 20 August 1383.¹

     Sir William Heron Knt., Lord Heron, Lord Say of Eshott and East Duddoe, Northumberland married Elizabeth de Say Baroness Say, Baroness Leyburn, daughter of Sir William (V) de Say Knt., 3rd Lord Say and Beatrice de Brewes, before 13 November 1393
; her 2nd husband.^1,3,2 Sir William Heron Knt., Lord Heron, Lord Say of Eshott and East Duddoe, Northumberland married Elizabeth Boteler, daughter of Sir Thomas le Boteler Knt., de jure 4th Lord Sudeley and Alice de Beauchamp, after 8 July 1399
; her 1st husband; hius 2nd wife; date of death of his 1st wife.²
Sir William Heron Knt., Lord Heron, Lord Say of Eshott and East Duddoe, Northumberland died on 30 October 1404; died testate.^1,2
      ; Sir William Heron (called to Parl 13 Nov 1393 as LORD (Baron) HERON or LORD (Baron) SAY; Steward Household to HENRY IV; dsp 30 Oct 1404.¹ He was Lord Heron, Lord Say on 13 November 1393.¹

     Elizabeth de Say married Sir Thomas de Aldoun.¹

      ; Elizabeth; m Sir Thomas de Aldoun.¹

     Sir Thomas de Aldoun married Elizabeth de Say, daughter of Geoffrey (IV) de Say 2nd Lord Say, Baron of West Greenwich, Kent and Lady Maud de Beauchamp.¹

     Maud de Aldoun married Thomas Besenho.¹

     Thomas Besenho died; predeceased his wife.¹ He married Maud de Aldoun, daughter of Sir Thomas de Aldoun and Elizabeth de Say.¹

     Mary de Aldoun married Otho de Worthyngton.¹

     William Fiennes PC, 2nd Lord Saye and Sele married Margaret Wykeham, daughter of William Wykeham (Perrott) of Broughton Castle and Joan Trumpington,
; her 1st husband.¹ William Fiennes PC, 2nd Lord Saye and Sele was born circa 1428.¹
William Fiennes PC, 2nd Lord Saye and Sele died on 14 April 1471 at Battle of Barnet, Barnet, (now a London Borough), England.¹
     He was 2nd LORD (Baron) SAYE AND SELE.¹

; WILLIAM FIENNES, 2nd LORD (Baron) SAYE AND SELE, PC (March 1453/4), JP (Kent 1461 and Hants Jan 1463/4); b c 1428; Kt of the Body by 18 Dec 1450, Constable Porchester Castle 1461-71, Keeper New Forest 1461-Feb 1466/7, fought winning Yorkist side Battle of Northampton 1460, V-Adml to the 'Kingmaker' Earl of Warwick (see ABERGAVENNY, M) when latter High Adml of England 1462, fled with EDWARD IV to Flanders 1470 and returned with EDWARD 1471, shortly after which he was k Battle of Barnet (Yorkist victory) 14 April 1471; m as her 1st husb Margaret (m 2nd John Hervey and d just prior to 30 May 1477), dau and heir of William Wykeham alias Perrott, of Broughton Castle (which thus came to the FIENNESes), s and heir of Sir Thomas Wykeham alias Parrott, 3rd s of William Parott by Alice, dau of William Champneys by Agnes, sis of William of Wykeham, Bp Winchester and fndr Winchester Coll and New Coll Oxford, and had, with an er s (Richard, d young): HENRY FIENNES.¹

     Margaret Wykeham married William Fiennes PC, 2nd Lord Saye and Sele, son of Sir James Fiennes Knt., 1st Lord Saye and Sele and Emeline Walsingham,
; her 1st husband.¹ Margaret Wykeham married John Hervey
; her 2nd husband.¹
Margaret Wykeham died before 30 May 1477.¹
      ; Margaret (m 2nd John Hervey and d just prior to 30 May 1477), dau and heir of William Wykeham alias Perrott, of Broughton Castle (which thus came to the FIENNESes), s and heir of Sir Thomas Wykeham alias Parrott, 3rd s of William Parott by Alice, dau of William Champneys by Agnes, sis of William of Wykeham, Bp Winchester and fndr Winchester Coll and New Coll Oxford.¹

     William Wykeham (Perrott) of Broughton Castle married Joan Trumpington, daughter of Reginald Trumpington.

     Sir Thomas Wykeham (Parrott) married Elizabeth Wilcotes, daughter of William Wilcotes and Elizabeth Trillow.

     William Parott married Alice Champneys, daughter of William Champneys and Agnes (?) of Wykeham.¹

     Alice Champneys married William Parott.¹

     William Champneys married Agnes (?) of Wykeham, daughter of (?) (?) of Wykeham.¹

     Agnes (?) of Wykeham married William Champneys.¹