Matilde (?) von Dasburg1

F, #23671
FatherLudwig (?) Count von Dasburg1,2
Last Edited31 Oct 2020

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilde von Dasburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121018&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121019&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann von Enham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121017&tree=LEO
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124982&tree=LEO

Ludwig (?) Count von Dasburg1

M, #23672
Last Edited31 Oct 2020
      ; Leo van de pas cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 19.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121019&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilde von Dasburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121018&tree=LEO

Ermentrude (?) de Verdun1

F, #23673, d. after 1010
FatherGodefroi/Godfrey "the Old" "the Prisoner" I (?) Graf von Bidgau Bidgau, Ct of Verdun1,2,3 b. bt 930 - 935, d. a 3 Sep 997
MotherMathilde/Maud Billung (?) von Sachsen1,2 b. c 940, d. 25 May 1008
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited29 Sep 2020
     Ermentrude (?) de Verdun married Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé, son of Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut and Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde), between 975 and 985.2,1,4,5

Ermentrude (?) de Verdun died before 1010.2
Ermentrude (?) de Verdun died after 1010.1
     GAV-27. Ermentrude (?) de Verdun was also known as Ermentrude (?) de Verdun.2 She witnessed the marriage of Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé and Helvide (?) (?); Ravilious mentions Arnoul marrying a "Helvide". Genealogics (citing ES) and Med Lands say he m. "Ermentrude".5,4,6

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Godefroidied995B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold I de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139800&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Arnauddied10021010
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2; http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hadvide de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139799&tree=LEO

Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé1,2

M, #23674, b. circa 950, d. between 1002 and 1010
FatherGodefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut3,4,5,6 d. 5 Aug 964
MotherAlpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde)6,7,3,4,5 b. c 921, d. 986
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited29 Sep 2020
     Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé married Helvide (?) (?)
; Ravilious mentions Arnoul marrying a "Helvide". Genealogics (citing ES) and Med Lands say he m. "Ermentrude".6,3,4 Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé was born circa 950.8 He married Ermentrude (?) de Verdun, daughter of Godefroi/Godfrey "the Old" "the Prisoner" I (?) Graf von Bidgau Bidgau, Ct of Verdun and Mathilde/Maud Billung (?) von Sachsen, between 975 and 985.2,9,3,6

Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé died between 1002 and 1010; Ravilious says d. bef 1015.9,3,8,6
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: VII 11.3 GAV-28.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ARNAUD, son of GODEFROI Comte de Hainaut [GOTTFRIED associate Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia] & his wife Alpaide ---] (-22 Oct [1002/10]). The Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[433]. The Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[434]. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[435]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[436]. Seigneur de Florennes. The Gesta Episcoporum Leodiensium names "Arnulfum nobilem de Rumiaco…Alpaidis et Godefridi filius" specifying that he founded the church of St Gengulf in Florennes[437]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "Arnullfum nobilem de Ruminiaceo…Alpaidis et Godefridi filius" founded the church of St Gengulf in Florennes in 1002[438].
     "m ERMENTRUDE, daughter of GODEFROI Comte de Verdun & his wife Mechtild of Saxony ([965/80]-7 Mar after 1010). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Roland records the wife of Arnaud as “Ermentrude, fille de Godefroid le Captif et de Mathilde de Saxe” but he does not cite the corresponding primary source[439]. He states also that “Arnoul seigneur de Florennes reçut en bénéfice du comte Herman son beau-frère l’abbaye d’Hautmont”, again without citing the corresponding primary source but Roland’s wording suggests that the document may indicate the family relationship between the two parties[440]. "
Med Lands cites:
[433] Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 791.
[434] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[435] Duvivier (1865), XL, p. 379.
[436] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), p. 74, footnote 1.
[437] Ægidii Aurevallensis Gesta Episcoporum Leodiensium II.59, MGH SS XXV, p. 63.
[438] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1002, MGH SS XXIII, p. 778.
[439] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), p. 79.
[440] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), p. 81.6
Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé was also known as Arnoul (?) sn de Florennes.9 Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé was also known as Arnoul/Arnulf (?) Lord of Morialmé.6 Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé was also known as Arnaud (?) Seigneur de Florennes.4

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) 1er de Florennes ° ~ 950 + un 22/10 entre 1002 et 1010 seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé (fonde l’église Saint-Gengulf à Florennes 1002)
     ép. ~975/85 Ermentrude de Verdun + un 07/03 dès 1010 (fille de Godefroi 1er «Le Captif» de Limbourg, comte d’Ardennes, Verdun, Bidgau et Methingau, et de Mechtild de Saxe-Billung.)8"

; Ravilious email: Thursday, 19 April, 2007
"Hello All,
     "An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.
     "The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?
     "Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.
Cheers, John
_______________________________________________

<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
___________________ I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
_____________ I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
______________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
___________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9
Wikipedia, on Morialmé
Historique de la seigneurie
     "La première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
     "Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
     "Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé."
* John P. Ravilious."6
; Per Stewart email [2007]:
     "Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."5

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold I de Florennes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139800&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold I de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139800&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Arnauddied10021010. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S2150] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007: "Re: Query: the lords of Morialm"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007."
  6. [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Morialmé: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2; http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hadvide de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139799&tree=LEO

Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut1

M, #23675, d. 5 August 964
ReferenceGAV29
Last Edited5 Jun 2020
     Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut married Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde), daughter of Erlebaud (?) seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay and Alpaïs (?) de France,
;
Her 1st husband.2,3,4
Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut died on 5 August 964 at Rome, Città Metropolitana di Roma Capitale, Lazio, Italy (now).5,6
     ; Ravilious email: Thursday, 19 April, 2007
"Hello All,
     "An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.
     "The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?
     "Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.
Cheers, John
_______________________________________________

<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
___________________ I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
_____________ I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
______________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
___________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9
Wikipedia, on Morialmé
Historique de la seigneurie
     "La première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
     "Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
     "Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé."
* John P. Ravilious."2

; This is the same person as:
"Godefroid de Basse-Lotharingie" at Wikipédia (Fr.), and as
and as "Gottfried I. (Niederlothringen)" at Wikipedia (De.)7,6 He was Herzog von Niederlothringen (Vice duc de Basse-Lotharingie)
See attached map of the Duchy of Lower Lotharingia (from Wikipedia (De.): Von © Sémhur / Wikimedia Commons, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=50765775.)6,7,8 Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut was also known as Godfrey (?) of Jülich.2 Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut was also known as Gottfried (?) Comte de Hainaut, Herzog von Niederlothringen.9,6 GAV-29.

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Godefroi (Geoffroi) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut (~958) + 964 (Italie)
     ép. Alpaïde (Alpaïs) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) ° ~921 + 986 (fille d’Erlebaud, seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay, et d’Alpaïs de France ;
ép. 2) Eilbert, seigneur de Florennes +X 28/03/977, Fleurus.)4 "

; Per Med Lands:
     "GOTTFRIED (-after 958). He was installed as Comte de Hainaut in 958 after Comte Reginar [III] was banished[59]. "Otto…rex" granted property confiscated from "Ymmo in villa Castra et in pago Darnegouue ac in comitatu Rotberti comitis", at the request of "Godefridi comitis", to "fideli nostro Tietboldo" by charter dated 11 Jun 958[60]. "Otto…rex" granted property "villa Vuambia sitam in pago Heinia in comitatu Godefridi" held by "Engibrandus" by charter dated 13 Jun 958[61]. same person as…? GOTTFRIED (-Italy 964). It is not certain that Gottfried Comte de Hainaut was the same person as Gottfried Duke of Lower Lotharingia. However, after the death of the latter, "Otto…imperator augustus" granted property "in loco Uillare…terram olim Godefridus bone memorie dux noster" to the convent of Saint-Ghislain (in Hainaut) at the request of "Richarius comes" by charter dated 2 Jun 965[62], "Richarius comes" being identified as Gottfried's successor in Hainaut. He was appointed [associate] Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia. Bruno archbishop of Köln confirmed an exchange of property "Baldau, quam Sigifredus comes…acquireret" for "in villa Nohas…in pago Heislensi in comitatu Tulpiaco" between the abbot of Stavelot and "comite Warnero fideli nostro" by charter dated 953 "regnante rege Ottone fratre nostro, anno xviii, Godefrido duce"[63]. Vanderkindere suggests that this charter should be redated to 959, to support the hypothesis that the two appointments of Gottfried and Friedrich, as associate dukes in Lower and Upper Lotharingia respectively, occurred simultaneously[64]. "Godefridi ducis" subscribed a charter dated 964 issued by the abbot of Prüm[65]. The Continuator of Regino names "Godefridus dux Lothariensis" among those who died of plague in Italy in 964[66]. Ruotger's Vita Brunonis records that Duke Bruno sent "auxiliares" to Lotharingia, of whom "Godefridus dux", adding that Bruno had raised Gottfried himself, and that he was so convinced of Gottfried's worthiness that he considered it unnecessary to offer donations for his soul[67].
     "m as her first husband, ALPAIDE, daughter of --- (-after 981). Her two marriages are confirmed by reading the Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii, which records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[68], read together with the Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi which names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[69]. She married secondly (after 964) Eilbert Seigneur de Florennes. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[70]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[71]."
Med Lands cites:
[59] McKitterick (1983), p. 325, the author attributing this event to 977 which must be incorrect assuming Comte Reginar died in 973.
[60] D O I 194, p. 275.
[61] D O I 195, p. 275.
[62] D O I 291, p. 408.
[63] Veterum Scriptorum II, pp. 46-7.
[64] Vanderkindere II, p. 21.
[65] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 219, p. 277.
[66] Continuator Reginonis 964, MGH SS I, p. 627.
[67] Ruotgeri Vita Brunonis 41, MGH SS IV, pp. 270-1.
[68] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[69] Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 791.
[70] Duvivier, C. (1865) Recherches sur le Hainaut ancien (Brussels), XL, p. 379.
[71] Roland, C. G. ‘Histoire généalogique de la maison de Rumigny-Florennes’, Annales de la Société Archéologique de Namur, Tome 19 (Namur, 1891), p. 74, footnote 1.9


; Per Stewart email [2007]:
     "Godfrey is believed to have been the count in Hainaut mentioned in a diploma of Emperor Otto I in 958 ("in pago Heinia, in comitatu Godefridi") and a hagiography written early in the 11th century ("Godefridus Heinonensis pagi comes"). He died soon after the occurrence in 958, on a 23 December. This is the same date given in the obituary of Florennes abbey for Hersende, wife of Eilbert ("X Kal. Ian. Ob. Godefridus pater domni Arnulfi et Hersindis uxor Eilberti").
     "Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."5

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Morialmé: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
  5. [S2150] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007: "Re: Query: the lords of Morialm"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007."
  6. [S4759] Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Gottfried I. (Niederlothringen): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_I._(Niederlothringen). Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (DE).
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Godefroid de Basse-Lotharingie: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godefroid_de_Basse-Lotharingie
  8. [S4759] Wikipédia (DE), online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niederlothringen#/media/Datei:Holy_Roman_Empire_1000_map-de.svg
  9. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#Gottfrieddiedafter958. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold I de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139800&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Arnauddied10021010

Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde)1

F, #23676, b. circa 921, d. 986
FatherErlebaud (?) seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay1
MotherAlpaïs (?) de France1
ReferenceGAV29
Last Edited5 Jun 2020
     Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) married Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut
;
Her 1st husband.2,3,4 Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) married Elbert de Florennes Seigneur de Florennes
;
Her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.2,3,5,4 Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) was born circa 921.1
Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) died in 986.1
      ; Per Racines et Histoire: "Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) 1er de Florennes ° ~ 950 + un 22/10 entre 1002 et 1010 seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé (fonde l’église Saint-Gengulf à Florennes 1002)
     ép. ~975/85 Ermentrude de Verdun + un 07/03 dès 1010 (fille de Godefroi 1er «Le Captif» de Limbourg, comte d’Ardennes, Verdun, Bidgau et Methingau, et de Mechtild de Saxe-Billung.)4"
; Ravilious email: Thursday, 19 April, 2007
"Hello All,
     "An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.
     "The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?
     "Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.
Cheers, John
_______________________________________________

<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
___________________ I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
_____________ I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
______________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
___________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9
Wikipedia, on Morialmé
Historique de la seigneurie
     "La première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
     "Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
     "Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé."
* John P. Ravilious."2

; Per Stewart email [2007]:
     "Godfrey is believed to have been the count in Hainaut mentioned in a diploma of Emperor Otto I in 958 ("in pago Heinia, in comitatu Godefridi") and a hagiography written early in the 11th century ("Godefridus Heinonensis pagi comes"). He died soon after the occurrence in 958, on a 23 December. This is the same date given in the obituary of Florennes abbey for Hersende, wife of Eilbert ("X Kal. Ian. Ob. Godefridus pater domni Arnulfi et Hersindis uxor Eilberti").
     "Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."6

; Per Med Lands:
     "GOTTFRIED (-after 958). He was installed as Comte de Hainaut in 958 after Comte Reginar [III] was banished[59]. "Otto…rex" granted property confiscated from "Ymmo in villa Castra et in pago Darnegouue ac in comitatu Rotberti comitis", at the request of "Godefridi comitis", to "fideli nostro Tietboldo" by charter dated 11 Jun 958[60]. "Otto…rex" granted property "villa Vuambia sitam in pago Heinia in comitatu Godefridi" held by "Engibrandus" by charter dated 13 Jun 958[61]. same person as…? GOTTFRIED (-Italy 964). It is not certain that Gottfried Comte de Hainaut was the same person as Gottfried Duke of Lower Lotharingia. However, after the death of the latter, "Otto…imperator augustus" granted property "in loco Uillare…terram olim Godefridus bone memorie dux noster" to the convent of Saint-Ghislain (in Hainaut) at the request of "Richarius comes" by charter dated 2 Jun 965[62], "Richarius comes" being identified as Gottfried's successor in Hainaut. He was appointed [associate] Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia. Bruno archbishop of Köln confirmed an exchange of property "Baldau, quam Sigifredus comes…acquireret" for "in villa Nohas…in pago Heislensi in comitatu Tulpiaco" between the abbot of Stavelot and "comite Warnero fideli nostro" by charter dated 953 "regnante rege Ottone fratre nostro, anno xviii, Godefrido duce"[63]. Vanderkindere suggests that this charter should be redated to 959, to support the hypothesis that the two appointments of Gottfried and Friedrich, as associate dukes in Lower and Upper Lotharingia respectively, occurred simultaneously[64]. "Godefridi ducis" subscribed a charter dated 964 issued by the abbot of Prüm[65]. The Continuator of Regino names "Godefridus dux Lothariensis" among those who died of plague in Italy in 964[66]. Ruotger's Vita Brunonis records that Duke Bruno sent "auxiliares" to Lotharingia, of whom "Godefridus dux", adding that Bruno had raised Gottfried himself, and that he was so convinced of Gottfried's worthiness that he considered it unnecessary to offer donations for his soul[67].
     "m as her first husband, ALPAIDE, daughter of --- (-after 981). Her two marriages are confirmed by reading the Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii, which records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[68], read together with the Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi which names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[69]. She married secondly (after 964) Eilbert Seigneur de Florennes. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[70]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[71]."
Med Lands cites:
[59] McKitterick (1983), p. 325, the author attributing this event to 977 which must be incorrect assuming Comte Reginar died in 973.
[60] D O I 194, p. 275.
[61] D O I 195, p. 275.
[62] D O I 291, p. 408.
[63] Veterum Scriptorum II, pp. 46-7.
[64] Vanderkindere II, p. 21.
[65] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 219, p. 277.
[66] Continuator Reginonis 964, MGH SS I, p. 627.
[67] Ruotgeri Vita Brunonis 41, MGH SS IV, pp. 270-1.
[68] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[69] Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 791.
[70] Duvivier, C. (1865) Recherches sur le Hainaut ancien (Brussels), XL, p. 379.
[71] Roland, C. G. ‘Histoire généalogique de la maison de Rumigny-Florennes’, Annales de la Société Archéologique de Namur, Tome 19 (Namur, 1891), p. 74, footnote 1.7


; Per Racines et Histoire: "Godefroi (Geoffroi) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut (~958) + 964 (Italie)
     ép. Alpaïde (Alpaïs) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) ° ~921 + 986 (fille d’Erlebaud, seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay, et d’Alpaïs de France ;
ép. 2) Eilbert, seigneur de Florennes +X 28/03/977, Fleurus.)4 " Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) was also known as Alpaide de Hogarde.2 GAV-29.

; Per Stewart email [2007]:
     "Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."6
; Per Med Lands:
     "EILBERT (-28 Mar 977). The Historia Walciodorensis monasterii names "comes Eilbertus pater comes Ebroinus"[416]. Seigneur de Florennes. The Historia Walciodorensis monasterii records that "comes Ebroinus [et] Berta" had seven sons named (in order) "comes Eilbertus, secundus comes Uddo de Foix, deinde comes Heribertus de Sancto Quintino, Gerardus de Odenarde, comes Boso, comes Witerus et Macuardus venerabilis episcopus", recording in a later passage that Eilbert and Heribert captured "Karolus rex" in 922 and held him at Péronne[417], although most of this appears to be pure fantasy. "Otto…rex" confirmed the foundation of Kloster Waulsort "Walciodorus…in pago Ardenna" by "nobili viro Eilberto…et uxor sua Heresuindis" by charter dated 19 Sep 946[418].
     "m firstly HERESWIND, daughter of --- (-[1 Jan] ----). The necrology of Gorze records the death "Kal Jan" of "Hersindis comitissa"[419], which may refer to the wife of Eilbert as her father-in-law's death is also recorded in the same source.
     "m secondly (after 964) as her second husband, ALPAIDE, widow of GODEFROI Comte de Hainaut [GOTTFRIED associate Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia], daughter of --- (-after 981). Her two marriages are confirmed by reading the Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii, which records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[420], read together with the Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi which names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[421]. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[422]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[423]."
Med Lands cites:
[416] Historia Walciodorensis monasterii 1, MGH SS XIV, p. 505.
[417] Historia Walciodorensis monasterii 3 and 5, MGH SS XIV, pp. 505 and 508.
[418] D O I 81, p. 160.
[419] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 267.
[420] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[421] Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 791.
[422] Duvivier, C. (1865) Recherches sur le Hainaut ancien (Brussels), XL, p. 379.
[423] Roland, C. G. ‘Histoire généalogique de la maison de Rumigny-Florennes’, Annales de la Société Archéologique de Namur, Tome 19 (Namur, 1891), p. 74, footnote 1.5

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Morialmé: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#EilbertFlorennesdied977. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2150] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007: "Re: Query: the lords of Morialm"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007."
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#Gottfrieddiedafter958
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold I de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139800&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Arnauddied10021010

Erlebaud (?) seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay1

M, #23677
ReferenceGAV30
Last Edited18 Jan 2014
     Erlebaud (?) seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay married Alpaïs (?) de France.1

     GAV-30.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Gozelo/Genzelon/Gozelin/Gothelon (?) Graf im Bridgau und Methingau1,2,3

M, #23678, b. circa 910, d. between 18 October 942 and 943
FatherWigeric (?) Count in the Trier & Ardennesgau1,2,3 b. 886, d. 919
MotherKunigunde (?)1,2,3 b. c 890
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited24 Dec 2020
     Gozelo/Genzelon/Gozelin/Gothelon (?) Graf im Bridgau und Methingau was born circa 910; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1) says c. ca 910; Genealogics says b. ca 910; Med Lands says b. bef 915.1,2,3 He married Oda/Uda von Metz, daughter of Gerhard/Matfride I (?) Graf im Metzgau and Oda/Uota (?) von Sachsen.1,4,5,2,3

Gozelo/Genzelon/Gozelin/Gothelon (?) Graf im Bridgau und Methingau died between 18 October 942 and 943.1,2,3
     GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29.

; This is the same person as ”Gozlin, Count of Bidgau and Methingau” at Wikipedia.6

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:127.
2. Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried. 141.2


; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1): “A2. Gozelin=Gothelon, Gf of Bidgau, *ca 911, +18.10.942/3; m.Uda of Metz (+7.4.963)”.7

; Per Med Lands:
     "GOZELON, son of WIGERICH [III] Graf im Bidgau & his wife Cunegundis --- ([before 915]-[12 Oct 942/16 Feb 943][79] [19 Oct 942]). His parentage is indicated by the charter dated 943 which refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[80]. As Frederic is known to have been the brother of Adalbero [I] Bishop of Metz, whose parents are known (see above), it is assumed that all five individuals were sons of Wigerich [III] and Cunegonde (although it is also possible that some or all of them were uterine brothers born from the second marriage of Cunegonde). His birth date is estimated from his wife having given birth to four children before he died. He received the villa of Varangéville from his supposed brother Adalbéron and subscribed one of the latter's charters dated 15 Mar 942[81]. The necrology of the church of Reims records the death "XIV Kal Nov" of "Godefridus comes pater Adalberonis archiepiscopi”[82].
     "m UDA, daughter of GERHARD Graf [Matfriede] & his wife Oda of Saxony (-after 18 May 963). A charter dated 943 refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[83]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. "Otto…rex" confirmed a donation of property "Dauantri in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Wichmanni comitis…" inherited by "Uda nostra nepta" by charter dated 28 Aug 960[84]. "Uda…comitissa" donated property "in pago Rizzigowi cui Egylolfus comes" to St Maximin at Trier "pro remedio…seniorique mei Gozlini necnon filiorum meorum Henrici…et Reginheri, Godefridi quoque et Adalberonis" by charter dated 18 May 963 witnessed by "Sigefrido comite, Richwino comite"[85]."
Med Lands cites:
[79] ES I.2 202.
[80] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 179, p. 241.
[81] Poull (1994), p. 9.
[82] Varin, P. (1844) Archives législatives de la ville de Reims (Paris) Seconde Partie, Statuts, Vol. I, p. 96.
[83] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 179, p. 241.
[84] D O I 216, p. 298.
[85] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 212, p. 272.3


; Per Med Lands:
     "UDA (-after 18 May 963). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. A charter dated 943 refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[817]. "Otto…rex" confirmed a donation of property "Dauantri in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Wichmanni comitis…" inherited by "Uda nostra nepta" by charter dated 28 Aug 960[818]. "Uda…comitissa" donated property "in pago Rizzigowi cui Egylolfus comes" to St Maximin at Trier "pro remedio…seniorique mei Gozlini necnon filiorum meorum Henrici…et Reginheri, Godefridi quoque et Adalberonis" by charter dated 18 May 963 witnessed by "Sigefrido comite, Richwino comite"[819].
     "m GOZLIN [Gozelon] Comte, son of WIGERICH [III] Graf im Bidgau & his wife Cunegundis --- ([before 915]-[12 Oct 942/16 Feb 943][820] [19 Oct 942])."
Med Lands cites:
[817] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 179, p. 241.
[818] D O I 216, p. 298.
[819] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 212, p. 272.
[820] ES I.2 202.5

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gozelo: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124988&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Gozelondied942B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uda von Metz: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124989&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Udadiedafter963
  6. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gozlin,_Count_of_Bidgau_and_Methingau. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The Luxemburg family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Godefroy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121020&tree=LEO

Oda/Uda von Metz1,2

F, #23679, b. circa 902, d. after 7 April 963
FatherGerhard/Matfride I (?) Graf im Metzgau3,1,2 d. 910
MotherOda/Uota (?) von Sachsen4,1,2 b. 877, d. a 2 Jul 952
ReferenceGAV31
Last Edited24 Dec 2020
     Oda/Uda von Metz was born circa 902.5 She married Gozelo/Genzelon/Gozelin/Gothelon (?) Graf im Bridgau und Methingau, son of Wigeric (?) Count in the Trier & Ardennesgau and Kunigunde (?).6,1,2,7,8

Oda/Uda von Metz died after 7 April 963; Genealoogics says d. after 07 Apr 0963; Med Lands says d. after 18 May 963; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg) says d. 7 Apr 963.6,1,2
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "GOZELON, son of WIGERICH [III] Graf im Bidgau & his wife Cunegundis --- ([before 915]-[12 Oct 942/16 Feb 943][79] [19 Oct 942]). His parentage is indicated by the charter dated 943 which refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[80]. As Frederic is known to have been the brother of Adalbero [I] Bishop of Metz, whose parents are known (see above), it is assumed that all five individuals were sons of Wigerich [III] and Cunegonde (although it is also possible that some or all of them were uterine brothers born from the second marriage of Cunegonde). His birth date is estimated from his wife having given birth to four children before he died. He received the villa of Varangéville from his supposed brother Adalbéron and subscribed one of the latter's charters dated 15 Mar 942[81]. The necrology of the church of Reims records the death "XIV Kal Nov" of "Godefridus comes pater Adalberonis archiepiscopi”[82].
     "m UDA, daughter of GERHARD Graf [Matfriede] & his wife Oda of Saxony (-after 18 May 963). A charter dated 943 refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[83]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. "Otto…rex" confirmed a donation of property "Dauantri in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Wichmanni comitis…" inherited by "Uda nostra nepta" by charter dated 28 Aug 960[84]. "Uda…comitissa" donated property "in pago Rizzigowi cui Egylolfus comes" to St Maximin at Trier "pro remedio…seniorique mei Gozlini necnon filiorum meorum Henrici…et Reginheri, Godefridi quoque et Adalberonis" by charter dated 18 May 963 witnessed by "Sigefrido comite, Richwino comite"[85]."
Med Lands cites:
[79] ES I.2 202.
[80] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 179, p. 241.
[81] Poull (1994), p. 9.
[82] Varin, P. (1844) Archives législatives de la ville de Reims (Paris) Seconde Partie, Statuts, Vol. I, p. 96.
[83] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 179, p. 241.
[84] D O I 216, p. 298.
[85] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 212, p. 272.8


; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1): “A2. Gozelin=Gothelon, Gf of Bidgau, *ca 911, +18.10.942/3; m.Uda of Metz (+7.4.963)”.9

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:127; 1.2 204.1

; This is the same person as ”Oda of Metz” at Wikipedia.10 GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29. Oda/Uda von Metz was also known as Uda of Saxony.11

; Per Med Lands:
     "UDA (-after 18 May 963). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. A charter dated 943 refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[817]. "Otto…rex" confirmed a donation of property "Dauantri in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Wichmanni comitis…" inherited by "Uda nostra nepta" by charter dated 28 Aug 960[818]. "Uda…comitissa" donated property "in pago Rizzigowi cui Egylolfus comes" to St Maximin at Trier "pro remedio…seniorique mei Gozlini necnon filiorum meorum Henrici…et Reginheri, Godefridi quoque et Adalberonis" by charter dated 18 May 963 witnessed by "Sigefrido comite, Richwino comite"[819].
     "m GOZLIN [Gozelon] Comte, son of WIGERICH [III] Graf im Bidgau & his wife Cunegundis --- ([before 915]-[12 Oct 942/16 Feb 943][820] [19 Oct 942])."
Med Lands cites:
[817] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 179, p. 241.
[818] D O I 216, p. 298.
[819] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 212, p. 272.
[820] ES I.2 202.2

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uda von Metz: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124989&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Udadiedafter963. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerhard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124986&tree=LEO
  4. [S1709] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=jweber, Jim Weber (unknown location), downloaded updated 16 July 2005 accessed 7 Aug 2005, http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jweber&id=I03997&style=TEXT
  5. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44651
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gozelo: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124988&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Gozelondied942B
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The Luxemburg family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  10. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oda_of_Metz. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 1 page (The House of Lorraine): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine1.html
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Godefroy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121020&tree=LEO

Plectrudis (?)1,2,3

F, #23680, d. after 717
FatherHugobert (?) Seneschal, Pfalzgraf1,4,5,6,7 d. c 697
MotherIrmina (?) of Oeren/Trier7,8 d. a 710
Last Edited25 Jun 2020
     Plectrudis (?) married Pepin II "le Gros/d'Herstal" (?) of Heristal, son of AnsegiselAnguiseAnchises (?) Mayor of Austrasia and Saint Begga (?) of Landen, in 673
;
His 1st wife.9,10,11,6,12,7
Plectrudis (?) died after 717.3,6
Plectrudis (?) was buried in 718 at Sankt Maria im Kapitol, Cologne (Köln), Stadtkreis Köln, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Munich (München), Stadtkreis München, Bavaria (Bayern), Germany
     DEATH     718, Germany
     Plectrude was the wife of Pepin of Herstal, the mayor of the palace and duke of the Franks. She was the daughter of Hugobert, seneschal of Clovis IV, and Irmina of Oeren. Plectrude has been described as politically active and influential upon her husband and his reign. She tried to ensure that her grandchildren ( both her sons by Pepin predeceased him) would inherit and she got Pepin's assent that Theudoald would be his main heir. When Pepin died soon in 714, she imprisoned his dangerous illegitimate son Charles "The Hammer" Martel in Cologne. Charles escaped and been acclaimed mayor by the nobles of that kingdom. In 717, Charles chased Chilperic II, king of the Franks, and Ragenfrid, his mayor of the palace to Paris before turning back to deal with Plectrude in Cologne. He took the city and dispersed her adherents. Plectude died later in 717 in the Abbey she founded, St. Maria im Kapitol in Cologne.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Hugobert von Echternach 645–697
          Irmina d'Oeren 650–704
     Spouse
          Pepin II of Herstal 635–714
     Siblings
          Gisele d'Aquitaine
     Children
          Drogo of Champagne
     BURIAL     Sankt Maria im Kapitol, Cologne, Stadtkreis Köln, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
     Created by: Kat
     Added: 4 Feb 2012
     Find a Grave Memorial 84468539.13
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "PEPIN [II] "le Gros" or "d'Herstal", son of ANSEGISEL & his wife Begga ([645/50]-Jupille, near Liège 16 Dec 714, bur Metz, basilique de Saint-Arnoul). The Gesta Episcoporum Mettensis names "Anschisus" as father of "Pippinum"[115]. "Pippinus" declares himself "filius Ansegisili" in his charter dated 20 Feb 691, which also names "matrona mea Plectrudis"[116]. The estimated birth date attributed to Pépin [II] is consistent with the general chronology of this family, but can only be approximate. The Annales Xantenses name "Pippinus" as son of "Anchisus dux" when recording that he succeeded on the death of his father in 685[117], although this is misdated. "Pipinum secundum" is named as son of Ansegisel and Begga in the Chronicon Sancti Huberti[118]. Duke in Austrasia [676/80]: the Liber Historiæ Francorum records that, after the death of "Vulfoaldo de Auster", "Martinus et Pippinus iunior filius Anseghiselo quondam…duces" were dominant in Austrasia ("decedentibus regibus, dominabantur in Austria") and led the Austrasian army against "Theudericum regem et Ebroinum" but were defeated at "loco…Lucofao", adding that "Martinus" found refuge at Laon where he was later killed by emissaries from Ebroin while "Pippinus" escaped[119]. The passage can be dated to [676/80]. Civil war with Neustria broke out, until Pépin defeated the Neustrians at Tertry, Somme in Jun 687 before becoming maior domus of Austrasia in [688/90]. Fredegar (Continuator) records that he became maior domus of Neustria in 688 after the murder of maior domus Berchar[120]. "Pippinus filius Ansegisili quondam necnon…matrone mea Plectrudis" donated property to the church of St Arnulf at Metz by charter dated 20 Feb 691[121]. "Childebertus rex Francorum" names "Pippino maiorem domus nostro" in his charter dated 14 Mar 697[122]. Fredegar (Continuator) records that he defeated Radbod Duke of the Frisians at Duurstede in [692/97][123]. The Liber Historiæ Francorum records the death of "Pippinus" after ruling for 27 years[124]. The Chronicon Sancti Medardi Suessionensis records the death in 714 of “Pippinus senior Princeps Francorum et Dux, Præfectus Palatii et Major-domus” and the accession of “Carolus dictus Martellus in loco patris”[125]. The Annales Metenses record the death "XVII Kal Ian 714" of "Pippinus princeps"[126].
     "m firstly ([670/75]) PLECTRUDIS, daughter of HUGOBERT & his wife [Irmina ---] (-after 717, bur Köln, St Maria im Kapitol). "Pippinus" names "matrona mea Plectrudis, filia Huogoberti quondam" in his two charters dated 13 May 706[127]. The Liber Historiæ Francorum names "Pippino…uxor nobilissima…Plectrudis" but does not give her origin[128]. After the death of her husband, she "took everything under her control" according to Fredegar (Continuator)[129]. The Monumenta Epternacensia records that "Raginfredum maiorem domus" married "Plectrudem"[130], but this is not corroborated by other sources. She was regent for her grandson Theodebald, but opposed by her stepson Charles "Martel" whom she imprisoned. Charles escaped, and defeated the forces of Plectrudis at Vinchy, near Cambrai, 28 May 717. She founded St Maria im Kapitol at Köln.
     "[m] secondly (bigamously) CHALPAIS [Alpais], sister of DODO, daughter of ---. The Liber Historiæ Francorum records that Pépin had "filium ex alia uxore…Carlo" but does not name the child’s mother[131]. Fredegar (Continuator) records that Pépin married another wife ("aliam duxit uxorem") "nobilem…Chalpaida" by whom he had "filium…Carlo"[132]. Sigeberto's Vita Landiberto episcopi Traiectensis names "puellam nobilem…Alpaidem" as second wife of Pépin, specifying that she was "soror…Dodonis qui domesticus Pippini principis erat"[133]. The mid-12th century Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Alpade, sorore Dodonis, qui sanctum Lambertum episcopum Leodinensem martyrisavit" as second wife of Pépin[134]. Settipani does not support the theory that Alpais was the sister of Bertrada, mother of Charibert, whose daughter married Pépin King of the Franks, the hypothesis being based on King Pépin and his wife inheriting property from their respective fathers[135]. The Chronicle of St Bèze records that "Dodone comite" killed "sanctus Lambertus Tungrorum Episcopus"[136].
     "Mistress (1): ---. The name of Pépin's mistress is not known.
     "Pépin & his first wife had two children:
1. DROGO (-24 Mar 708, bur Metz, Abbaye de Saint-Arnoul[137]).
2. GRIMOALD (-murdered Liège Apr 714).

     "Pépin & his second [wife] had one child:
3. CHARLES “Martel” ([690]-Quierzy-sur-Oise, Aisne 16 or 22 Oct 741, bur église de l'abbaye royale de Saint Denis).

     "Pépin had [one illegitimate son by Mistress (1)]:
4. [CHILDEBRAND (-after 751, maybe after 762)."

Med Lands cites:
[115] Pauli Gesta Episcoporum Mettensis , MGH SS 2, p. 265.
[116] MGH Diplomatum Imperii I, Diplomata Maiorum Domum, 2, pp. 91-2.
[117] Annales Xantenses 685, MGH SS II, p. 220.
[118] Chronicon Sancti Huberti Andaginensis 3 (7), MHG SS VIII, p. 570.
[119] Liber Historiæ Francorum, 46, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 319.
[120] Fredegar (Continuator), 5, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 171.
[121] MGH DD Mer (1872), Diplomata Maiorum Domus ex stirpe Arnulforum, 2, p. 92.
[122] MGH Diplomatum Imperii I, Diplomata Regum Francorum, 70, p. 62.
[123] Fredegar (Continuator), 6, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 172.
[124] Liber Historiæ Francorum 51, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 325.
[125] Chronica Sancti Medardi Suessionensis, Spicilegium II, p. 487.
[126] Annales Mettenses 714, MGH SS I, p. 322.
[127] MGH Diplomatum Imperii I, Diplomata Maiorum Domum, 4 and 5, pp. 93-4.
[128] Liber Historiæ Francorum 48, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 323.
[129] Fredegar (Continuator), 8, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 173.
[130] Monumenta Epternacensia, MGH SS XXIII, p. 59.
[131] Liber Historiæ Francorum, 49, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 324.
[132] Fredegar (Continuator), 6, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 172.
[133] Vita Landberti episcopi Traiectensis Auctore Sigeberto xvi, MGH SS rer. Merov. VI, p. 397.
[134] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 1, MGH SS XXV, p. 382.
[135] Settipani (1993), p. 156.
[136] Abbé E. Bougaud (ed.) (1875) Besuensis Abbatiæ Chronicon, authore Joanne Monacho (Dijon) [same volume as Chronicle of Saint-Bénigne de Dijon], p. 246, footnote 2 commenting that the murder took place in 696 and that Dodon was the brother of Alpais.10


; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin 2): “B1. Pipin II of Heristal, Maiordomus in Austrasia and Neustria and Bourgogne 680, King of Franks, *635, +Jupille nr Liege 16.12.714; m.673 Alpais N (+after 714), dau.of Childebrand N /OR Plectrudis N”.14

; This is the same person as:
”Plectrude” at Wikipedia and as
”Plectrude” at Wikipédia (Fr.)15,16

Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 52.7 Plectrudis (?) was also known as Plektrudis (?)7

; Per Med Lands:
     "PLECTRUDIS (-after 717, bur Köln, St Maria im Kapitol). "Pippinus" names "matrona mea Plectrudis, filia Huogoberti quondam" in his two charters dated 13 May 706[477]. The Liber Historiæ Francorum names "Pippino…uxor nobilissima…Plectrudis" but does not give her origin[478]. After the death of her husband, she "took everything under her control"[479]. The Monumenta Epternacensia records that "Raginfredum maiorem domus" married "Plectrudem"[480]. She was regent for her grandson Theodebald, but opposed by her stepson Charles "Martel" whom she imprisoned. He escaped, and defeated the forces of Plectrudis at Vinchy, near Cambrai, 28 May 717. She founded St Maria im Kapitol at Köln.
     "m ([670/75]) as his first wife, PEPIN [II] "le Gros" or "d'Herstal", son of ANSEGISEL & his wife Begga ([645/50]-Jupille, near Liège 16 Dec 714, bur Metz, basilique de Saint-Arnoul)."
Med Lands cites:
[477] MGH Diplomatum Imperii I, Diplomata Maiorum Domum, no. 4 and 5, pp. 93-4.
[478] Liber Historiæ Francorum 48, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 323.
[479] Fredegar (Continuator), 8, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 173.
[480] Monumenta Epternacensia, MGH SS XXIII, p. 59.6

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32106
  2. [S1224] General Editor Peter N. Stearns, The Encyclopedia of World History, Sixth Edition (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2001), pp. 172. Hereinafter cited as The Encyclopedia of World History, 6th Ed.
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  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKSMaiordomi.htm#_Toc359686226. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
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  12. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Pépin de Herstal: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9pin_de_Herstal. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  13. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 25 June 2020), memorial page for Plectrude of Bavaria (unknown–718), Find a Grave Memorial no. 84468539, citing Sankt Maria im Kapitol, Cologne, Stadtkreis Köln, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany; Maintained by Kat (contributor 47496397), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/84468539. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
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  16. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Plectrude: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plectrude
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Farahild (?)1

F, #23681
Last Edited27 Oct 2019
     Farahild (?) married Wandregisis (?)1

Family

Wandregisis (?)
Child

Citations

  1. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theuderic_III. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.

Renard III (?) Count de Toul1

M, #23685, d. circa 1077
FatherFrederic I (?) Count de Toul2
MotherGertrude de Toul3
Last Edited14 May 2009
     Renard III (?) Count de Toul died circa 1077.1 He married Gisele de Vaudémont, daughter of Gerhard I (?) Comte de Vaudémont and Helvide/Edith von Dagsburg Heiress of Egisheim, circa 1120
; her 1st husband.4,5,6

Family

Gisele de Vaudémont b. 1090, d. a 1141
Child

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32462
  2. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32464
  3. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32465
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisèle de Vaudemont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026516&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 11 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine11.html
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Frederic I (?) Count de Toul1

M, #23686
Last Edited27 Mar 2004
     Frederic I (?) Count de Toul married Gertrude de Toul, daughter of Renard II (?) Count de Toul.2

Gertrude de Toul1

F, #23687
FatherRenard II (?) Count de Toul2 d. c 1034
Last Edited27 Mar 2004
     Gertrude de Toul married Frederic I (?) Count de Toul.1

Renard II (?) Count de Toul1

M, #23688, d. circa 1034
FatherRenard I (?) Count de Toul2
Last Edited5 Apr 2004
     Renard II (?) Count de Toul died circa 1034.1

Family

Child

Raimbaud (?) Count de Toul1

M, #23690, d. circa 1019
Last Edited5 Apr 2004
     Raimbaud (?) Count de Toul married Gisele (?)2

Raimbaud (?) Count de Toul died circa 1019.1

Gisele (?)1

F, #23691
Last Edited4 Apr 2004
     Gisele (?) married Raimbaud (?) Count de Toul.1

Voiry d'Ardennes Count of Ardennes1

M, #23693, d. 918
FatherNN (?) Count of Saundis2
Last Edited2 Dec 2004
     Voiry d'Ardennes Count of Ardennes married Cunigunde (?)1

Voiry d'Ardennes Count of Ardennes died in 918.1

Family

Cunigunde (?)
Child

NN (?) Count of Saundis1

M, #23695
FatherArnoul III (?) Count de Chaumontois2 d. c 820
Last Edited28 Nov 2020

Arnoul III (?) Count de Chaumontois1

M, #23696, d. circa 820
FatherAgnorald de Chaumontois2 d. c 790
Last Edited29 Sep 2004
     Arnoul III (?) Count de Chaumontois died circa 820.1

Agnorald de Chaumontois1

M, #23697, d. circa 790
FatherArnoul II (?) Count de Chaumontois2 d. 723
Last Edited2 Dec 2004
     Agnorald de Chaumontois died circa 790.1

Family

Child

Arnoul II (?) Count de Chaumontois1

M, #23698, d. 723
FatherDrogo/Dreux (?) Count of Champgane2 d. 708
MotherAnstrude (?)3
Last Edited29 Sep 2004
     Arnoul II (?) Count de Chaumontois died in 723.1

Family

Child

Drogo/Dreux (?) Count of Champgane1

M, #23699, d. 708
FatherPepin II "le Gros/d'Herstal" (?) of Heristal2,1,3,4,5 b. c 645, d. 15 Nov 714
MotherPlectrudis (?)2,1,3,6 d. a 717
Last Edited25 Jun 2020
     Drogo/Dreux (?) Count of Champgane married Anstrude (?)7

Drogo/Dreux (?) Count of Champgane died in 708.8,1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin2.html
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I872
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKSMaiordomi.htm#NIbelungdiedbefore786A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pippin: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020925&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Pépin de Herstal: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9pin_de_Herstal. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Plektrudis: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020927&tree=LEO
  7. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32103
  8. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32102

Anstrude (?)1

F, #23700
Last Edited29 Sep 2004