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     Helen Fitz Harding married Roger III de Berkeley feudal Lord of Dursley, son of Roger II de Berkeley feudal Lord of Berkeley.¹

     EDV-24.

     Harding (?) died after 1125; Genealogics, Boyer and Burke's all say he was living in 1125, but Med Lands says he d. "6 Nov. after 1100."^1,5,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 1999. 254.³

; Per Med Lands:
     "HARDING (-6 Nov after 1100). William of Malmesbury records that "Ednodus" (whose death he describes as above) was "pater Herdingi qui adhuc superest"[545]. As William of Malmesbury records events until 1142, it is possible that Harding survived considerably later than 1100, although it is of course not known when precisely the passage just quoted was written. ["…Herding…" witnessed the charter dated 1067 under which William I King of England donated property to the bishop of Wells[546]. The chronology suggests that it is unlikely that this entry relates to the same person named Harding.]
     "m ---. The name of Harding’s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites: GAV-26 EDV-25 GKJ-26.

; Per Boyer: "It is believed he was son of Eadnoth (who was killed in 1068), "Staller" to King Harold and to Edward the Confessor. Frank Hey has stated that only the Arden and Berkeley families "can prove descent from a pre-Conquest Englishman". He has been termed "son of the King of Denmark" (an identification which was refuted by J. Horace Round in 1910...) and "Mayor of Bristol".”.¹ He was living in 1125.³

     Eadnoth (?) was born circa 1030.²
Eadnoth (?) died in 1068 at co. Somerset, England; Killed in battle.^4,2,3
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 1999. 254.²

; Per Med Lands:
     "EALDNOTH (-killed in battle Somerset 1068). Staller to King Edward the Confessor[543]. Florence of Worcester records that "Haroldi regis filii Godwinus, Eadmundus, Magnus" returned from Ireland and landed in Somerset where they were defeated, when "Eadnothus qui fuit Haroldi regis stallarius" was killed in the battle, in a passage which deals with events in mid-1068[544]. m ---. The name of Ealdnoth’s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites: GAV-27 EDV-26 GKJ-27. He was Per Burke's: "Staller (an important royal official, though unspecified as to duties) to KINGs HAROLD GODWINSON and EDWARD THE CONFESSOR”.⁴

     William J. McGinnis married Priscilla F. Wilson.^3,4
William J. McGinnis was born in 1806 at Fayette Co., Kentucky, USA.^3,4

     Thomas Johnston McGinnis lived in 1833 at Grant Co., Kentucky, USA.³

     Robert Penbury married Christian/Christine Bertram, daughter of Sir Roger II Bertram Baron of Mitford, co. Northumberland and Agnes (Ida?) (?), before 1291
; her 2nd husband.^2,1
Robert Penbury died after 1291.¹
     Robert Penbury was also known as de Penelbury.²

     Roger III Bertram 1st Lord Bertram of Mitford, Northumberland was born on 5 December 1224.⁵ He married Ida de Ros, daughter of Robert de Ros of Wark on Tweed, circa 1241
; her 1st husband.^5,3,4
Roger III Bertram 1st Lord Bertram of Mitford, Northumberland died between October 1271 and July 1272; Richardson says d. ca 1271.^5,4
     He was 1st Lord (Baron) Bertram of Mitford on 14 December 1264.³

     Ida de Ros married Roger III Bertram 1st Lord Bertram of Mitford, Northumberland, son of Sir Roger II Bertram Baron of Mitford, co. Northumberland and Agnes (Ida?) (?), circa 1241
; her 1st husband.^1,3,4 Ida de Ros married Sir Robert (I) de Neville Lord of Raby and Brancepath, son of Geoffrey (VII) FitzRobert de Neville of Raby Castle and Joan/Margaret de Monmouth?, before 13 April 1273
; her 2nd husband.^5,6,3 Ida de Ros married Sir John de Marmaduke of Horden, co. Durham before 8 May 1285
; her 3rd husband.^5,2
Ida de Ros died on 17 August 1320; Boyer says d. after 18 May 1315; Richardson sas d. aft 17 Aug 1320.^6,2
      ; Complete Peerage 2 (1912): 158-162 (sub Bertram) and 9 (1936): 495-486
(sub Neville) includes well written accounts of the the life histories
of Roger Bertram (living 1272), of Mitford, Northumberland, and Robert
de Neville, Knt. (died 1282), of Raby, Durham, the first and second
husbands respectively of a certain woman named Ida, whose parentage is
not stated by Complete Peerage. Hedley's Northumberland Families
(1968): 224-229 provides good evidence which indicates that Ida was
the daughter of Robert de Roos, of Wark, Northumberland (died c. 1269).
Ida's father, Robert de Roos, is commonly thought to have married
Christine Bertram, sister of Ida's husband, Roger Bertram. However,
Hedley shows that Christine Bertram actually married Ida's brother,
William de Roos. Thus a Roos brother and sister married a Bertram
brother and sister.

Following the death of her 2nd husband, Sir Robert de Neville, Complete
Peerage indicates that Ida de Roos married (3rd) before 8 May 1285 Sir
John Fitz Marmaduke, of Horden, Durham. Complete Peerage sub Betram
and Neville gives no death date for Ida. Rather, in both accounts,
Complete Peerage states only that Ida was living 18 May 1315.

The following charter proves that Ida (de Roos) (Bertram) (de Neville)
Fitz Marmaduke was still living as late as 17 August 1320, she having
by that time survived her third husband, Sir John Fitz Marmaduke:

"Sunday after the Assumption, 14 Edward II (17 August 1320).
Charter indented (in French) of Robert de Holande, Knt., granting to
her very dear lord, Sir Thomas Earl of Lancaster and Leicester, for
life, the manors of Hordene, Silkesworth, Carleburi and Ulneby and all
other lands which he has in the counties of Durham and Sadberg, with
the advowsons and franchises; granting also that the lands which dame
Alianore widow of Sir Richard son of John Fitz Marmaduk and Dame Ida de
Neville hold in dower of the lands which were of Sir Richard, which
after their decease ought to remain to the grantor and his heirs, shall
remain to the said eart for life; remainder to the grantor and his
heirs. Witnesses, Sir William Touchet, Sir Adam de Hudleston, Sir
John de Beek, Sir Odard Heroun, Sir Robert de Byncestre, Sir Gascelin
Deyvill, Sir Begon Bayhouse. Pountfret. XXX, 136v." END OF QUOTE.
[Reference: Oliver, Northumberland & Durham Deeds (Newcastle-upon-Tyne Recs. Comm. 7) (1929): 287].

Ida de Roos has no known descendants. However, there are many New
World immigrants who descend from her 2nd and 3rd husbands, Robert de
Neville and John Fitz Marmaduke, by their previous marriages to other
women. Further particulars of all of these families can be found in my
forthcoming book, Magna Carta Ancestry.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net.²

     Sir Robert (I) de Neville Lord of Raby and Brancepath married Ida de Ros, daughter of Robert de Ros of Wark on Tweed, before 13 April 1273
; her 2nd husband.^1,2,7
Sir Robert (I) de Neville Lord of Raby and Brancepath died before 20 August 1282.²
      ;
ROBERT (I) de NEVILL(E); feudal lord of Raby and Brancepeth, campaigned against Welsh 1257, Sheriff Northumberland Jan-Nov 1258, Keeper: Bamburgh, Newcastle(-upon-Tyne), Norham and Werk Castles 1258, also Scarborough Castle 1277, Justice of the forests beyond the Trent 1261 and Ch Justice of the same 1265, Cdr HENRY III’s forces beyond the Trent, Capt for the defence of Yorks and Sheriff Yorks 1263, Commr to hear pleas of disinherited persons 1267–68, Ch assessor of the fifteenth (a tax) in Northumberland and Westmorland 1275; m 1st –; m 2nd by 13 April 1273 Ida (she m 3rd by 8 May 1285 John FitzMarmaduke, of Horden and Ravensholm, Co Durham, and d on or after 18 May 1315), widow of Sir Roger Bertram, of Mitford, Northumberland, and d just before 20 Aug 1282.⁸ EDV-21 GKJ-21.

     Sir John de Marmaduke of Horden, co. Durham married Ida de Ros, daughter of Robert de Ros of Wark on Tweed, before 8 May 1285
; her 3rd husband.^1,2
Sir John de Marmaduke of Horden, co. Durham died before 17 August 1320; The following charter proves that Ida (de Roos) (Bertram) (de Neville)
Fitz Marmaduke was still living as late as 17 August 1320, she having
by that time survived her third husband, Sir John Fitz Marmaduke:

"Sunday after the Assumption, 14 Edward II (17 August 1320).
Charter indented (in French) of Robert de Holande, Knt., granting to
her very dear lord, Sir Thomas Earl of Lancaster and Leicester, for
life, the manors of Hordene, Silkesworth, Carleburi and Ulneby and all
other lands which he has in the counties of Durham and Sadberg, with
the advowsons and franchises; granting also that the lands which dame
Alianore widow of Sir Richard son of John Fitz Marmaduk and Dame Ida de
Neville hold in dower of the lands which were of Sir Richard, which
after their decease ought to remain to the grantor and his heirs, shall
remain to the said eart for life; remainder to the grantor and his
heirs. Witnesses, Sir William Touchet, Sir Adam de Hudleston, Sir
John de Beek, Sir Odard Heroun, Sir Robert de Byncestre, Sir Gascelin
Deyvill, Sir Begon Bayhouse. Pountfret. XXX, 136v." END OF QUOTE.
[Reference: Oliver, Northumberland & Durham Deeds (Newcastle-upon-Tyne Recs. Comm. 7) (1929): 287].²
     Sir John de Marmaduke of Horden, co. Durham was also known as Sir John fitz Marmaduke.²

     Agnes Bertram married Sir Thomas Fitz William Knt., Lord of Emeley and Sprotborough, co. York, son of Sir William Fitz William of Emley and Sprotborough and Ela (Adela) de Warenne.^{1,2,6,3,7,8,4,5}

      ; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden.⁵

     Sir Thomas Fitz William Knt., Lord of Emeley and Sprotborough, co. York married Agnes Bertram, daughter of Sir Roger II Bertram Baron of Mitford, co. Northumberland and Agnes (Ida?) (?).^{1,2,3,13,6,8,7,14}
Sir Thomas Fitz William Knt., Lord of Emeley and Sprotborough, co. York was born between 1195 and 1200; Richardson says "of age in 1226."⁷
Sir Thomas Fitz William Knt., Lord of Emeley and Sprotborough, co. York died after 1266; Richardson says d. after 1266; Ravilious says d. after 1252; van de Pas says d. aft 25 Jun 1259.^2,13,8,7
      ; per Ravilious: Thomas FitzWilliam
Death: aft 1252[2]
Occ: lord of Emley and Sprotborough

knt., of Sprotborough, West Riding, co. York[7]
had livery of his land in Riton as early as 23 Feb 1223/24 (CP Vol II:162)[2]
first known holder of Emley, 1253: had ' a grant of free warren, market and fair at Emley in 1253 '[2]

Spouse: Agnes Bertram
Father: Roger Bertram (ca1194-1241)
Mother: Agnes

Children: Sir William (-<1295)
Denise, m. Sir Robert de Daiville
Roger.²

; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden.⁸

; per Richardson: "Sir Thomas Fitz William was a prisoner to the king at the Battle of Chesterfield in 1266."⁷

     Isabel Bertram married Sir Philip d'Arcy of Nocton, Lincs, son of Norman d'Arcy of Nocton, Lincs and Agnes (?).^1,3,2

     EDV-21 GKJ-22. Isabel Bertram was living on 15 June 1281; Richardson says d. after 1281.^3,2

     Sir Philip d'Arcy of Nocton, Lincs married Isabel Bertram, daughter of Sir Roger II Bertram Baron of Mitford, co. Northumberland and Agnes (Ida?) (?).^1,2,3

Sir Philip d'Arcy of Nocton, Lincs died before 28 May 1264.^1,2,3
      ; Sir PHILIP d'ARCY, of Nocton; m Isabel (living 15 June 1281), 2nd dau of Sir Roger Bertram, of Mitford, Northumberland, sis and coheir of Sir Roger Bertram, of Mitford, and d c 28 May 1264, leaving issue.² EDV-21 GKJ-22.

     Sir Simon de Vere of Goxhill, Lincolnshire and Sproatley, Yorkshire married Ada Bertram, daughter of Sir Roger II Bertram Baron of Mitford, co. Northumberland and Agnes (Ida?) (?).^1,3
Sir Simon de Vere of Goxhill, Lincolnshire and Sproatley, Yorkshire was born before 1208.³
Sir Simon de Vere of Goxhill, Lincolnshire and Sproatley, Yorkshire died circa 1264.³
     GAV-22 EDV-20 GKJ-23.

     William II Bertram Baron of Mitford was born in 1152 at Castle Mitford, Northumberland, England.⁴ He married Alicia (Alice) de Umfreville, daughter of Odinel II de Umfreville Lord of Prudhoe, co. Northumberland and Alice de Lucy, circa 1185
; her 1st husband.^1,2,5
William II Bertram Baron of Mitford died circa 1198; Richardson says d. ca 1199.^1,5
     GAV-23 EDV-23.

; "William Bertram, who obtained a grant from the crown, in the 5th year of King John [1203/4], of the manor of Felton, in Northumberland, with all the woods thereunto belonging. He m. Alice, dau. of Robert de Umfravil, and d. in or before the 7th year of the same reign [1205/6], for at that time we find King John conferring the wardship of his lordship's son and heir, Roger, upon Peter de Brus, with the custody of his lands during the minority, in consideration of the sum of 300 marks."²

     Alicia (Alice) de Umfreville married William II Bertram Baron of Mitford, son of Roger Bertram Baron of Mitford and Ada de Morville, circa 1185
; her 1st husband.^1,4,3 Alicia (Alice) de Umfreville married Roger fitz Walter
; her 2nd husband.³
     GAV-23 EDV-23.

     William Bertram died after 1241.¹

     Roger Bertram Baron of Mitford married Ada de Morville, daughter of Hugh de Morville.^1,2
Roger Bertram Baron of Mitford was born in 1126 at Mitford, Northumberland, England.⁴ He was born in 1130 at Mitford, Northumberland, England.⁵
Roger Bertram Baron of Mitford died between 1172 and 1177.¹
Roger Bertram Baron of Mitford died in 1174.⁴
     GAV-24 EDV-24.

     Ada de Morville married Roger Bertram Baron of Mitford, son of William I Bertram Baron of Mitford, co. Northampton and Hawise de Baliol.^1,2

     GAV-24 EDV-24.

     GAV-25 EDV-25.

; constable to David, King of Scots, and founder of Dryburgh Abbey.¹

     William I Bertram Baron of Mitford, co. Northampton married Hawise de Baliol, daughter of Guy de Baliol 1st Baron of Bywell and Dionysia (?).^1,4
William I Bertram Baron of Mitford, co. Northampton was born circa 1090 at Mitford, Northumberland, England.^3,4
William I Bertram Baron of Mitford, co. Northampton died in 1150.³
      ; "In the reign of King Henry I., William Bertram (son of Richard Bertram, by Sybella Mitford his wife), founded with the approbation of his wife and sons, the Augustinian Priory of Brinkburne, in Northumberland, m. Hawyse, dau. of Sir William Merley, of Morpeth, and left issue, Roger, Guy, William, and Richard."² GAV-25 EDV-25.

     Hawise de Baliol married William I Bertram Baron of Mitford, co. Northampton, son of Richard Bertram and Sybilla de Mitford.^2,3
Hawise de Baliol was born in 1108 at Bywell, Northumberland, England.¹
     GAV-25 EDV-25.

     Guy de Baliol 1st Baron of Bywell married Dionysia (?)³
Guy de Baliol 1st Baron of Bywell was born in 1085 at Scotland.³
     GAV-26 EDV-26. He was 1st Baron of Biwell; "In the reign of William Rufus, Guy, Guido, or Wido de Baliol, had a grant from the crown of the Barony of Biwell in Northumberland, and thus became its fedal lord. He was s. by his son..."⁴

     Richard Bertram Lord of Bothal was born in 1134 at Mitford, Northumberland, England.²
Richard Bertram Lord of Bothal died in 1177.¹